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Paul Walker Was Wrong To Date A 16-Year Old…And I Know That From Experience

Paul Walker and his girlfriend Jasmine in Hawaii in 2009(Photo: Will Binns / Pacific Coast News)

UPDATE #2: In case anyone was worried that I’m not getting enough feedback for writing about this, I’ve received over 1,200 responses. Here are some of the angriest ones, and here are some of the most encouraging and supportive.

UPDATE: For those of you suggesting that I’m wrong and Paul’s behavior with Jasmine was okay because it was a one-time thing, meet Aubrianna Atwell, an ex-girlfriend of Paul’s with whom he began a relationship when he was twenty-eight and she was…yup, sixteen.

I’ve been getting a lot of heat from commenters lately who are upset that I pointed out the widely-reported seventeen year age difference between Paul Walker and his longtime girlfriend Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell. His death was undeniably tragic, and no one is bringing that into question, but in reading posts about the loved ones who survived him, I was coming across some disturbing information. I kept seeing Jasmine’s age listed as twenty-three right next to information that said they’d been dating for seven years. Given that Paul was forty at the time of his death, that meant that when they started dating, Paul was thirty-three and Jasmine was…sixteen.

I thought that was a thing we could all agree on as unacceptable, given that Paul was a parent by the time Jasmine was eight years old and started dating her when she was still a sophomore in high school, but some readers of our readers disagree. Particularly in light of Paul’s sudden and tragic death in a car accident this past weekend, they aren’t ready to hear anything about him that isn’t a glowing review of his admirable accomplishments. And understandably so. In the days after someone dies, especially someone famous, the last thing people want to be reminded of is not only the fact that he was a human being who makes mistakes, but that they never knew him at all.

To that end, I’ve been getting a lot of really hateful commentary from people who are upset with me for suggesting that there’s anything wrong with a thirty-three year old man dating a sixteen-year old girl. I’ve heard things like ‘you can’t put a number on love’ and ‘the age of consent is 16 in California’ and ‘who are you to judge’? That’s a good question — who am I to judge? Well, not that it matters, since we have a lot of laws specifically designed to do that judging for us, but I’m someone who was in a very similar situation.

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  • Andrea

    Totally on your side here. Loved his films, but this is creepy.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      I appreciate the support!

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      Really beautifully written, too. Loved the paragraph about “special” the most.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Thank you very much!

    • Miss Y

      I agree; beautifully written, intelligent, eloquent and persuasive without being heavy-handed or overly judgmental.

    • Tulio

      Apparently his girlfriend didn’t find it creepy, which is all that matters. Who cares what you think? Hell, most relationships these days don’t last half as long as theirs. So they must’ve been doing something right. Why judge?

    • Bobster94901

      It isn’t “all that matters” if she was 16 years old.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Correct.

  • Michele

    Totally agree with you. While I liked Paul as an actor and for his charitable work, I find it creepy and repulsive that Jasmine wasn’t even the FIRST teenager her dated.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      I wasn’t aware of that — can you tell me where you found that information?

    • MsGV

      Last name Atwell. He was 28.

    • Samantha_Escobar

      It says that now, that woman is 28, and considering they dated “12 years ago” according to the Daily Mail, then she was also 16. Jesus.

    • Zarfy

      Maybe you could, you know, worry about your own relationships and let others worry about theirs? That might be nice.

    • Samantha_Escobar

      Maybe worrying about kids dating adults is a thing that should be worried about, even by those not involved. Kids not dating adults might be nice, too.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      What’s your rationale, though?

    • Samantha_Escobar

      My rationale on why children and adults shouldn’t date?

    • Man_Of_Sin

      Biologically speaking, childhood ends at puberty. Biological, speaking. Legal adulthood doesn’t matter since it varies from place to place, thus making it arbitrary.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      “Furthermore, Leitenberg and Saltzman found that among females who had had first sexual intercourse at ages 11-12, those who had a partner five or more years their senior had an elevated risk of attempted suicide, substance abuse and pregnancy. Among females who had had first intercourse between the ages of 13 and 15, having older partners was associated only with truancy. In contrast, among females whose age at first intercourse was 16-18, having older partners was not linked to these negative outcomes. Thus, adverse effects of partner age difference may lessen as females mature.”

      http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3430402.html

      Looks like 16 year old females can handle relationships with older males. Btw a child is defined as someone who has not reached puberty.http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Child

    • Amy CVG

      The concept of childhood as a period of special human development and vulnerability, warranting a need for special protection, didn’t exist before the late 1900s. (Kadushin, 1980) Prior to that, ‘children’ were just treated like little adults, and life expectancy was much shorter. Adolescence similarly has come to be recognized as a special developmental period where the young person is still vulnerable to, and damaged by, situations an adult is better able to handle. That’s why we make continue to make distinctions between adolescents and adults. Biological adulthood (i.e., post-pubescent) is not the same as social-emotional adulthood. We now know that the pre-frontal cortex of the brain, responsible for its most important executive functions, does not finish developing until the mid-20s.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      Historically speak a child was defined as someone who has not reached puberty and is still the definition when it comes to biology. But as I pointed they are not damaged by these situation at all by 16 and law most of the state realizes this.

      http://www.age-of-consent.info
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_of_Consent_-_Global.svg

    • Amy CVG

      You’re speaking of a biological definition. By that definition, girls may be considered adults when they begin to menstruate, on average, at age 12 or 13. Definitions in law go beyond biology. That’s why we have statutory rape laws that govern the age difference between ‘consenting’ persons. Age of consent merely sets a ‘best guess’ line in law for not prosecuting a couple of 16-year-olds for doing what comes naturally. Law is not the arbiter of truth, nor justice, particularly when it comes to human relationships. Just because someone turns 16 doesn’t magically make them ready to engage in a sexual relationship, particularly with someone many years older. That’s why we still prosecute teachers, coaches, etc. who engage in sexual relationships with their 16+-year-old students.

      And, “they are not damaged by these situations at all by 16″ — and you know this how? Speak for yourself, O Man_Of_Sin. Methinks I hear a juicy and defensive rationalization there.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      You said it yourself that biological adulthood was post-puberty and the reason why prosecute those people is because they have power over them.

      I already post the study in my first post you replied to.

    • Alex Harman

      Just because someone turns 18 doesn’t magically make them ready to engage in a sexual relationship, either; for that matter, just because someone turns 21 doesn’t magically make them ready to engage in a sexual relationship, because that’s not something that magically happens overnight on a particular birthday, or any other particular day. Laws have to draw lines like that in order to function, but we shouldn’t let that blind us to the fact that those lines are drawn at an arbitrary point along a continuum of development that goes on over several years and varies enormously in its beginning and end points between individuals.

      Also, we prosecute, or at least professionally discipline, teachers and coaches for who engage in sexual relationships with their 18+-year-old students as well — in that case it’s not the age that makes the relationship exploitative, it’s the position of power the teacher or coach holds over the student. As thirty-nine-year-old adjunct community college professor, I could be fired for dating a student in my class regardless of whether she was seventeen or forty at the time we dated.

    • Amy CVG

      Additionally, this is why we make a distinction between a pedophile and a hebophile.

    • Guest

      Aubrianna Atwell, 28. Aubrianna Atwell allegedly dated Walker 12 years ago. Considering she is now 28, that means she was 16 at the time and he was 28-years-old.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516948/Paul-Walkers-best-friend-ex-Aubrianna-Atwell-devastated-death.html

    • Bill

      And yet:

      “Atwell’s father, prominent real estate broker David Atwell, died last Monday of complications associated with his throat and lung cancer. He was 63 and had recently penned an email to Walker, thanking him for the supportive role he held in his daughter’s life. My dad told him how much he loved him and how much he appreciated him protecting me,’ she told the Las Vegas Sun. ‘It was an overdue expression of gratitude.’

      The pair had ‘traveled the world together,’ Atwell said, explaining she regularly accompanied him on international trips.

      For her birthday in April, the 40-year-old actor took her to San Francisco to see a Giants game. She said she rushed home to be by her dad’s side for his last months.

      ‘Paul was going to be with me on the day of my dad’s service,’ Atwell told The Sun.

      Yeah, he sounds like a real creep >.>

    • JohnHousecat

      He sounds like a stand-up guy who just happened to make better friends with younger exceptional women. And there are younger exceptional women out there…not all of them are “little girls” who want to party. His fiancee, the one he was with before he died, look like real down-to-earthy type who was probably far more mature than the author of this article was at the same age.

    • DoILookLikeAPeoplePerson

      …so if the girl was 14 it would be okay because he was such a “cool” guy? How about if she was 13…12…11…

      …your logic is failing…

    • Alex Harman

      Your logic is fallacious — specifically, you’re committing both the slippery slope and the strawman fallacies. Bill is suggesting, based on the strong evidence of Ms. Atwell’s and her father’s continuing affection for Paul Walker long after their romantic relationship ended, that Paul Walker’s relationship with the sixteen-year-old Ms. Atwell was not harmful to her. That’s something Ms. Atwell, now twenty-eight years old and indisputably an adult, is better-qualified than anyone else to judge. It does not follow that Bill must also believe that a relationship between a twenty-eight-year-old man and a fourteen, thirteen, twelve, or eleven-year-old girl would also be harmless; that’s your own strawman version of Bill’s position.

      The fallacy of the slippery slope become obvious when you run it the other way. If Bill saying that a relationship between a twenty-eight-year-old man and a sixteen-year-old girl might not be a bad thing for the girl means that Bill must also believe that a relationship between that man and a girl of fourteen, thirteen, twelve, or eleven could also be harmless, then, logically, your belief that a relationship between a twenty-eight-year-old man and a sixteen-year-old girl must necessarily be bad for her means that you must also believe that a relationship between that man and an eighteen, nineteen, twenty, or twenty-one-year-old girl must necessarily be bad for her. It makes just as much (or rather as little) sense in either direction.

      There has to be a cut-off somewhere, with “not old enough” on one side and “old enough” on the other; disagreeing with your (implied) position that the cut-off is above sixteen is not the same thing as denying that the cut-off exists at all. Ms. Atwell, in her comments to the Las Vegas Sun, has given us anecdotal evidence that, for her, sixteen was old enough to have a romantic relationship with an older man and have it be a positive experience in her life. (Maybe; it’s not actually clear from the article how old she was when her friendship with Paul Walker, which began when she was sixteen, developed into a romantic relationship. However, that also calls into question the premise of that arguments in this thread that Mr. Walker is a predator — if he did not actually become romantically involved with Ms. Atwell until she was over the age of eighteen, that’s one of your two data points eliminated.)

      Ms. Rhiannon, in this article, has given us anecdotal evidence that, for her, sixteen was not old enough to have a romantic relationship with an older man and have it be a positive experience in her life — or at least not with the specific older man who seduced her. I would submit that Ms. Atwell’s experience with Mr. Walker is somewhat more relevant to any judgments we make about Mr. Walker than Ms. Rhiannon’s experience with an older man who was not Mr. Walker.

      Moreover, the Guttmacher study linked by Man_of_Sin has given us strong statistical evidence that girls who have their first sexual intercourse at the ages of sixteen-eighteen with men five or more years older are no more likely to suffer adverse outcomes than girls who have their first sexual intercourse at the ages of sixteen to eighteen with boys whose ages are within five years of their own. (However, the study did find that sixteen to eighteen-year-old girls with older romantic partners are significantly more likely to have sex at all at that age, to have unprotected sex, and to feel that they were pressured into sex they did not necessarily want than their peers who have partners their own age).

      The position Ms. Rhiannon seems to be taking in this article is an absolutist one: she holds, based on her personal experience and some scientifically sound but general data about adolescent brain development (data that contain a large amount of variance that she blithely ignores) than any adult male who has a romantic and/or sexual relationship with any sixteen-year-old girl must be taking advantage of her and causing her harm, and that therefore Paul Walker’s relationships with Aubrianna Atwell and Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell must necessarily have been harmful to Ms. Atwell and Ms. Pilchard-Gosnell. Ms. Atwell, at age twenty-eight, apparently disagrees; from the fact that Ms. Pilchard-Gosnell, at age twenty-three, was still involved with Mr. Walker and engaged to marry him, it’s safe to assume that she would also disagree.

      I think it would be more in line with the facts at hand to say that while, as a general rule, relationships between sixteen-year-old girls and adult men are likely to be harmful to the girls involved, and perhaps that most sixteen-year-old girls would be harmed by any romantic relationship they might form with any older man, there exist some sixteen-year-old girls for whom relationships with some older men can be positive experiences, and that based on the facts available, Ms. Atwell and Ms. Pilchard-Gosnell and their respective relationships with Mr. Walker appear to be among those exceptions to the general rule. If that is correct, Ms. Rhiannon is committing another logical fallacy: making a hasty inductive generalization from her own negative experience of dating an adult man when she was sixteen to a rule that the experiences of all girls who date older men when they are sixteen must be negative.

      I’m curious as to what you and Ms. Rhiannon would make of Jimmy Doohan’s relationship with his third wife, Wende Braunberger. They met when he was fifty-four and she was seventeen, and married two months after her eighteenth birthday, by which time she was pregnant with the first of their three children. They remained happily married for thirty-one years, until his death in 2005. Would you presume to tell her that she was mistaken about her own life, that her husband was a predator and she his victim? I somehow doubt she’d be impressed with your expertise.

    • JohnHousecat

      “‘My dad told him how much he loved him and how much he appreciated him protecting me,’ she told the Las Vegas Sun. ‘It was an overdue expression of gratitude.’”

      You and the author are both d*cks, since neither of you can comprehend that it sure looks like Sr. Atwell was VERY supportive of Walker’s presence in his daughter’s life. Atwell seems to’ve known Walker well, and both of these girls remained with him to the very end. Predators don’t do that. They go into a young girl’s life, use her and then dump her/move on to the next one. JFC.

  • Caitlin!

    When I was 15, a 19 year old man sought my companionship. I was always incredibly mature physically and emotionally, I always identified with older people. He was ridiculously immature. We dated for three years, I lost my virginity to him, I thought he was the one and I “loved” him. However, about a year after our completely amicable break up, I started to process the situation now that I was an adult.
    No matter how much I loved him, no matter how mature or immature, I was a child and he was an adult. He had been in relationships and knew how to manipulate a poor girl who’d never been told she was pretty. He knew the emotional implications that come with “falling in love” and losing your virginity. At 20, you can think about your mindset at 15 and understand that you were absolutely not an adult.
    What’s sad about it, he still doesn’t believe he did anything inappropriate because this is sadly rather common. While I don’t believe he was malicious or went after me specifically because of my age, that doesn’t change the way it made me feel. He may have loved me, but I was a little girl. THE END. The perceived love, and bond does not matter because it was achieved dishonestly.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Thanks for sharing your experience — I wish it wasn’t as common as it is, but I’m also really glad you’re able to be working through your emotions about it. We’re lucky to have the perspective now to be able to process it. Part of why I love getting older!

    • Zarfy

      You were not a little girl. People have regrets about relationships and sex all the time. Own up to them. Don’t blame them on your age. You consented. He might have had ulterior motives, or maybe he loved you – but you’re the one who’s to blame for your own actions.

    • turtleposer

      I put blame on a sliding scale and the balance weighs heavily on the older person.

    • JohnHousecat

      Not to mention there was a four year age gap, which isn’t much of an age gap to begin with, and HE TOO was a teenager.

      There is a strange dichotomy going on here where young women want autonomy but then will turn around and shed blame for their own choices on anyone but themselves. “I was just a little girl!” Please. Then he was just a little boy, too. Please, just cut the crap with this teen-on-teen blamegame. If you were both mid-to-late teens (and one is just barely out of his teens), don’t even try to whine about “power”, because you both had the same kind of power in life at that point. It’s stupid crap like this that gets 18yo boyfriends in trouble the day after they turn 18 because they’ve been seeing a girl one year younger for over a year. It is ridiculous to criminalize teen sex in that respect (and barring R&J laws, it is criminalized in many states).

  • Caitlin!

    I also want to point out, the main defense I keep hearing is “oh but they were together so long!! they love each other who cares how old they were”
    Would these people be so supportive if it had been a short lived relationship? Or if he had multiple relationships with girls who were fresh out of driving school. But they loved each other? So what if it was only for two weeks >.>

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Yeah I don’t love that argument. I think I’d feel the same way about my situation even if it had only been a one-time thing.

    • Zarfy

      As it is, it’s not my relationship. It’s none of my business.

      If it was 2 weeks, it would not have been my relationship, and it’s still none of my business.

    • DoILookLikeAPeoplePerson

      …so since it’s not “our relationship” we can’t have an opinion? If someone is not a doctor does that mean they can’t have an opinion on how doctors should behave?

    • Zarfy

      We can have opinions, sure. We have freedom of speech. It doesn’t mean it’s appropriate at all to judge someone and a situation we know absolutely nothing about. We know nothing about how loving/close this couple were, and people are judging them on general principles such as “Eww a 16 year old grosss”

  • beth

    I’m a little surprised at the vitriol with which you are going after Paul Walker. I don’t remember you being so adamant about Courtney Stodden and Dough Hutchinson. You are making a lot of assumptions about Paul’s long-term girlfriend, namely that based on their age difference, Paul Walker took advantage of Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell. I agree with you that some 16-year-old girls may be easily misled, you being an example, but Crushable has highlighted mature 16-year old celebrities as well (Lorde, who happens to have a 24-year-old boyfriend). Some women mature a lot earlier – and it isn’t evidenced by who they date, but their character, their morals, and intelligence. I’d like to think I was someone who was mature before my age. I think your article is incredibly unfair to both Paul and Jasmine. How do you know she was not an intelligent, grounded girl who managed to attract a handsome, relatively successful actor? How do you know Paul didn’t feel an intense connection to Jasmine and didn’t simply see her as someone innocent and unformed? Based on interviews, Paul Walker wasn’t someone who enjoyed the spot light and he seemed to cherish a more private life away from the Hollywood spotlight. He isn’t exactly that loser who plied a girl with cheap wine.

    I think it’s unfortunate you conflate your personal experience with others and use it to condemn, especially at such an inappropriate time. If you want to educate – educate more directly without pointing fingers.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Like everyone, I use my own beliefs, opinions, and experience to inform my writing. You do too, and we seem to disagree. I can respect that.

    • Alex Harman

      Like most people, but not everyone, you take your own personal experiences as more representative of the human experience in general than they really are, and commit the fallacies of anecdotal argument and hasty generalization. Your writing would be better and deserve more respect if you stopped doing doing that.

    • alltruthbrandon

      Beth, u took the words right outta my mouth. I think that if the author of the article knew them personally it would be different, but to make a blanket assumption about their relationship without knowing them is inappropriate. I think the author’s intentions would be better served by writing a cautionary tale about her experiences, but not like this. And trust me, I’ve never even seen any of his movies, so it’s not like I’m sort of fan with blinders on. I wish the author well though.

    • Lana

      I agree 100%, Beth. Alexis, you are comparing the guy you slept with — some loser in his 6th year of community college — with Paul Walker, a handsome, wealthy, self-sufficient humanitarian. Big difference. Sure, the age difference is odd. I don’t disagree – but you’re trying WAY too hard to make a connection between your experience and their relationship. Let it go. You look desperate as though you are trying to get your “hard hitting” article into be printed in something more prestigious than “Crushable”. If you feel compelled to share your “beliefs, opinions and experience” maybe wait until he is at least in the ground. It’s been less than a week.

    • Lana

      And as a disclaimer – I’m not really even a PW fan. I just keep seeing this in my FB newsfeed and it’s downright obnoxious.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      What’s “downright obnoxious” is putting the same comment on in multiple places.

    • AlbinoWino

      This just sounds super classist. I’m pretty sure you can be wealthy, handsome, and a humanitarian and still be a child predator. Are we judging the likelihood of this by how much money a person has or how they present themselves? I mean, look how many priests have assaulted children. They seem the least likely suspects and yet that issue has been pretty rampant for years now. Can I say absolutely that’s what Paul Walker was? No, but I don’t think there’s any harm in her telling her story along similar lines. Paul Walker could have been a successful actor AND a creeper who didn’t bother trying to relate to women who were legally considered adults.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      I just kind of made a similar comment to her somewhere else on here. I think she’s got this same comment on here in multiple places!

    • turtleposer

      Another thing, a man like Paul Walker had so many options. A 16 year old? Weird.

    • simonsays

      IMHO, those on here defending PW are those who are either predators themselves, or have an unrealistic “love” for him. I’m not attracted to him so I can see him as a creep. Another female I know was totally in love with him and she defends this to the end, yet calls others who do this creeps. Take the blinders off, people. A creep is creep.

    • DoILookLikeAPeoplePerson

      Well said, simon…the folks supporting PW are quite creepy in their blind support of him…kind of scary, actually…

    • turtleposer

      Hey, with that logic, I’d prefer my daughter to marry a 90 year old billionaire with no heirs! (We like to joke about that).
      Why would someone like Paul Walker, a man with so many options go out with a 16 year old. I actually get the loser who’s in community college. But why would Paul Walker need to rob a cradle?

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      Amen!

    • Tulio

      Because men love young pussy. Simple as that. Teenage girls are like freshly ripe peaches picked off the branch.

    • Poogles

      “How do you know Paul [...] didn’t simply see her as someone innocent and unformed?”

      Ok, that, in and of itself, is creepy. Being “innocent and unformed” is basically the definition of being a child – if that IS how he saw her, that makes it worse, not better.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      Funny, the dictionary says that a child is someone who has not reached puberty.

    • Alex Harman

      Reading comprehension fail. Beth was arguing that perhaps Paul didn’t “simply see her as someone innocent and unformed” — Alexis was the one arguing that that’s the only reason why any thirty-three-year-old man would be interested in any sixteen-year-old girl, and Beth was making the counter-argument that it’s possible Jasmine was an unusually mature sixteen-year-old, and that Paul simply found they had a lot in common and felt a deep connection to her, rather than being attracted specifically to her youth and inexperience. Beth’s argument implies that if Paul did see Jasmine as “innocent and unformed” then that would be creepy, but we don’t actually know that that’s how he perceived her.

    • Kthe

      Thank you Beth. I am still dumbfounded by all of these comments saying he’s a predator. I do NOT agree with the age difference, however, I also know there are exceptions to EVERY rule! We have no idea of the nature of the relationship when it began. We have no idea of her upbringing or maturity level. It’s total speculation. I have read a number of things about her that she went to college, is mature, the family was close to Paul, etc. and even read that she is close to Paul’s daughter and broke the news.
      I have a friend who’s daughter has been in a serious relationship for almost two yrs and she is just 14! Granted the boy isn’t that much older but it took me a long time to get used to the idea of it -but the truth is they are perfect, they are best friends and he treats her well. If they don’t end up together and married later on, I will be shocked. Definitely NOT the normal relationship for that age but again, they are the exception. She is very mature for her age and can handle it. Again, I don’t agree with the age diff almost 100% of the time but have to withold judgement without knowing all the details!

    • saraya

      Exactly, so quick to label him a predator just because the situation looks that way. What happened to INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY?

    • Kelly

      “How do you know Paul didn’t feel an intense connection to Jasmine and didn’t simply see her as someone innocent and unformed?”

      That would prove he was indeed a predator. Spotting an innocent and uniformed person you can take advantage of is what predators do.

      If you think that makes it ok, something is wrong with you.

    • Zarfy

      Definitional manipulation and ad-hominum attacks. That seems to be all you guys have.

      Instead of personally attacking people or using “spook” words like “predator,” maybe you should, you know, formulate a real argument? I feel like everyone here has never taken a basic college-level logic class.

      Or better yet, perhaps you could live your life and not judge others? That might work, too.

    • Sherry

      So says the obvious male predator apologist. the point HAS been made logically: we protect teenagers for a reason. teenage brains are not mature. adults should not have sexual relationships with young teens because it is predatory. a teenager’s “consent” is not legally valid, because of their status. it’s not much more relevant than a child who consents to sex, because they don’t really understand what they are getting in to. and i feel inclined to warn you to stay away from the teens yourself.

    • Sherry

      So says the obvious male predator apologist. the point HAS been made logically: we protect teenagers for a reason. teenage brains are not mature. adults should not have sexual relationships with young teens because it is predatory. a teenager’s “consent” is not legally valid, because of their status. it’s not much more relevant than a child who consents to sex, because they don’t really understand what they are getting in to. and i feel inclined to warn you to stay away from the teens yourself.

    • Sherry

      So says the obvious male predator apologist. the point HAS been made logically: we protect teenagers for a reason. teenage brains are not mature. adults should not have sexual relationships with young teens because it is predatory. a teenager’s “consent” is not legally valid, because of their status. it’s not much more relevant than a child who consents to sex, because they don’t really understand what they are getting in to. and i feel inclined to warn you to stay away from the teens yourself.

    • Alex Harman

      Reading comprehension fail. Beth was contrasting the two alternate possibilities “Paul felt an intense connection to Jasmine” and “Paul simply saw Jasmine as someone innocent and unformed.” The latter would make him a predator; the former would not.

    • Shannon Ver Linden

      okay Beth. What about the other sixteen year old he dated? Another uncanny connection in this crazy game we call love? no, more like he likes young girls. Come on.

    • JohnHousecat

      LOL maybe she’s jealous/bitter that her older guy was no Paul Walker. Or that her older guy was just a big douche to begin with (just from her description).

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      You’re right, I’m sure I would’ve been much better off dating someone like you. Isn’t that what you’re getting at?

  • reader

    What a profoundly sneaky way to slut shame and self-promote through tragedy. You have no idea, whatsoever, who either of these people are and use personal, anecdotal evidence to effectively humiliate someone who just lost a loved one and must now endure an onslaught of misinformation and gossip. You’re welcome for whatever traffic this post brings, but I sincerely hope that the people reading it can see through your feigned moralizing and understand that you are exploiting another’s loss for your own gain. I hope the girl who lost this man doesn’t see that there are vultures picking at his remains and shaming her choices. I’m sure you’re aware that outrage generates attention, but I hope you understand how petty it makes you seem as a person.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      How is it humiliating anyone else if it’s personal to me?

      And who exactly do you think I’m slut-shaming here? Myself?

    • reader

      Put yourself in her shoes. You are in a relationship with someone for 7 years. He dies tragically and suddenly. You now have to endure writers such as yourself suggesting their relationship was predicated on pedophilia and her inability to make clear decisions about who she loved. You can’t see how that is shaming? You wouldn’t be crushed and humiliated reading an article like this one you wrote?

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      I read them all the time. I just read a comment trying to shame me exactly the same way you’re saying I tried to shame her. And it was from you, so.

    • Reader

      You haven’t lost anything and are claiming to be a victim. You have a profound ego, lady. You will do well as a muckraker. I’m not shaming you for your sexual choices, I am shaming you for disrespecting a woman’s life choices in a time of grief for your own gain.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      When did I claim to be a victim? I think I’m saying pretty much the opposite for taking responsibility for my actions.

      You’re putting a lot of words in my mouth.

    • JohnHousecat

      You claim to be a victim throughout the whole damned article, WHAT are you even talking about?

      “I was a member of a demographic that’s notoriously shaky on the decision-making front, and he took advantage of that.”<—- That just SCREAMS "I was victimized!", and I think you know this.

    • Alexis UnemployedSoonIHope

      Sad.

      How do you sleep at night? Mind your own fucking business Alexis Gossip Attention Whore. Let the man’s body cool a bit before you start shooting off your uninformed assuming asshole mouth.

      Take responsibility for your actions? Post how you’re sorry that you’ve offended the surviving relatives of Paul. Post how you’re sorry that Paul’s fiancee might read this. You have SOME NERVE.

      This article is evidence that you should never be published again by anything other than a trash mag or TMZ due to your complete LACK OF TACT AND COMPASSION for the recently deceased and their families, and your penchant for PUBLISHING SKEWED OPINION. You outright lie and publish content out of context about people you have never met. To add insult to injury, these people also happen to be DEAD so you can (theoretically) avoid repercussion. You obviously will do anything and everything to further yourself and your career, even if it means having to have 35 people send you the link to this article before you lay your good friend to rest.

      Here’s a good example of myself taking on your journalistic ideals. My editorial:

      This article explains to millions why Alexis Rhiannon chose to become a whore so early in life, and continues to do so to this day with her dirty, slanderous, lying cunt mouth. Alexis obviously can’t seem to keep a relationship thanks to that same uncontrollable verbal vomit spewing from her filthy, uninformed, cock hole all over the Internet. Her career as a journalist is most-assuredly over. It’s this writer’s opinion that she should really consider going into porn so she can do something she’s competent at.

      Was that article fair enough for you? Isn’t it lovely to read?

      For the record, I don’t believe that I would be able to be in any relationship with someone that young for anything other than mentoring, teaching, coaching, or as a guidance counselor to handle unsolicited grief like this article will most-assuredly generate in Paul’s family and friends, like myself. It’s also absolutely nobody’s business.

      IT’S NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS WHO PAUL WAS SLEEPING WITH, NOR IS IT HIS FAULT YOU’RE A SLANDEROUS PSEUDO-JOURNALIST WHO COULDN’T KEEP YOUR LEGS SHUT WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER. STOP PROJECTING YOUR OWN FAILURES ON OTHER PEOPLE’S LIVES AS SPECULATION TO FURTHER YOUR OWN CAREER.

      Thank you.

    • Alexis UnemployedSoonIHope

      edit: Caustic to say the least. I was pissed. Also, I’m not related to Paul in any way, but sympathize greatly with his family and the damage this article caused.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Thanks for your kind words!

    • reader

      “How is it humiliating anyone else if it’s personal to me?”

      Because it is not your photo in an intimate moment with someone you just lost. It is hers. It is humiliating because you are USING her loss to suggest that because you had a fling with an older man when you were her age that you have any credibility whatsoever to relate to her. You call the person she loved a pedophile. That is humiliating. That is absolutely shaming. It is cowardly and astonishingly self-absorbed of you to think that because of your anecdotal story you can claim that this couldn’t be humiliating to anyone else.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      I never used the word ‘pedophile’.

    • Reader

      So then what do you call it when a legal adult and a legal child, as you describe them, have sex? If not a pedophile are you then suggesting that her husband was a rapist? I’m sure that must also make the grieving girl feel wonderful.

      Look, I get you’re going for hyperbole and outrage. This is about your career and you’re doing a good job of building a name for yourself in what must be a horribly competitive environment. It’s sad though, cause you are a good writer yet seem incapable of showing any measure of empathy. I don’t know what kind of writer you wanted to be before you got into this, but you’re better than the cheap outrage articles like this rely on to be noticed. Best of luck to you, I hope things work out better.

    • Reader

      Not a husband, sorry, boyfriend.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Thank you, your feigned concern for me has been noted.

    • saraya

      Are you going to answer his question? He wants you to tell him what you call it when a legal adult and a legal child have sex.

    • Fred

      You didn’t have to. Your insinuations are quite enough.

    • Samantha_Escobar

      Wait, point out the sentence where she calls him a pedophile. Because that sounds more like your words, not hers, bud.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Yup.

    • Reader

      You said she was a legal child and he was an adult. That is the description of pedophilia in the matter you are describing. You can avoid using a word, but your accusations are clear.

    • cfg

      That is NOT the definition of pedophilia. Try again. No one said PW was a pedo. But a 33 year old having sex with a 16 year old is illegal in most states.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Ephebophilia is the word for being an adult who’s attracted to 15-19 year old adolescents.

    • JohnHousecat

      No, actually the AoC in MOST states (30? I think someone pointed in a comment above) is 16. Certainly would’ve been legal in my homestate. I believe the next age with most states is 17, then 18 (I know that in Cali and Florida it’s 18). Just a few years ago it was 15 in New York, but they raised it to 17. And a few years before that it was 14 in…Idaho, I think?

    • Cori

      Pretty sure the author wasn’t shaming her choices, but was calling into question his.

    • reader

      Can you imagine being this woman and having to read this? The person she loved for 7 years is 3 days dead and there are a slew of gossip reports suggesting that she was manipulated into a relationship by a pedophile. She’s completely denied this woman of her agency and choice in a time of grief and loss. He is dead, he won’t feel the sting of this, but she will. I can’t believe that anyone who supports this article can in the same breath claim to have any respect for women.

    • Stacey

      Do you really think she’s online reading the multiple articles about the huge difference in their ages? No, she’s at home bawling her eyes out that the man she loved is gone and she’ll never see him again. While I don’t feel comfortable calling someone who dates an older teen a pedophile, it certainly is inappropriate. The fact that the majority of people didn’t know anything about her says that they kept their relationship on the DL, which also says that they both knew the reaction their relationship would receive. It’s possible that his career could have suffered because of it. But now that he’s dead, none of that matters? Let’s say for shits and giggles that it’s discovered he’s a serial killer. If articles are written about how wrong that was, are the authors of those articles out of line because he’s dead, even though he’s a dead serial killer?

    • Reader

      You have an odd spectrum of moral understanding if you think a 33 year old man dating a 16 year old is even remotely comparable to a man being a psychopathic mass-murderer.

      I’m not concerned with Paul walker or his reputation, I’m concerned that a number of what appears to thoughtful, morally inclined women are entirely disregarding how this muckraking would feel for the girl, the victim here, having to have her life and choices and memory of her loved one get picked apart during a time of grief. It’s shocking to me, honestly. I don’t think she is actively reading them, but I’m sure she is aware of them and the fact that she has become gossip news not 3 days after this man died. Give the woman some time to grieve, you vultures.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Why does it matter that I’m a woman? How does that affect the validity of my opinions?

    • Fred

      You’ve apparently been touched in places that your bathing suit covers. I am sorry for your horrible experiences. Not everyone is like you. Don’t pretend that they are. You probably could use some deep therapy. I’m praying for you………………….

    • cfg

      You are a sick person.

    • Stacey

      Yes, yes. I’m very odd that way. The examples are very different, but the premise is the same. Guess you didn’t quite understand that. And if you’re so concerned with her feelings, perhaps you shouldn’t be referring to her as a victim.

    • beth

      well the author was suggesting that Jasmine had no ability to make a conscious decision. So while she wasn’t shaming her, she was discrediting her ability to make choices. Based on that assumption, the author went on to assume Paul Walker was aware of Jasmine’s (alleged) immaturity and took advantage. Again her assumptions are highly inappropriate and cowardly, especially when Paul cannot defend himself and when Jasmine is not in a state to defend (she is in mourning). I generally like alexis’ writing but this time I think she’s gone too far

    • Miss Y

      I really hate “shaming” as a verb; it’s trendy, annoying and meaningless. Am I the only one?

    • Alex Harman

      Apparently you are the only one.

    • James

      Your a self involved idiot , death does not give you a pass the do what thousands of men are in prison for as we speak.

    • Reader

      Note how this man is approved of for calling Paul Walker out on being pedophile, and yet the author above is supported for saying that she never said the word pedophile in her description.

    • what

      no one is even using the word pedophile where are you getting any of this from?????

    • Reader

      Sorry, what is the outrage then? Was he a rapist? Is that better when considering the grief of the mourning girlfriend?

    • what

      you literally make no sense at all. you’re responding to things that only you are implying or saying, hoping that something will stick.

    • JohnHousecat

      By the way the author kept saying “LEGAL CHILD” and how she moans that “I WAS A CHILD” when she was 16. Later teens aren’t children, they’re adolescents.

      We are all someone’s child for our entire lives. But there comes a point during adolescence when someone feels that they have a right to sleep with or date whoever they want (so long as it isn’t an actual CHILD).

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Possibly because all sorts of different people are reading this post and they all have different opinions?

    • Miss Y

      Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children, not teens or young women, just to clarify.

    • AlbinoWino

      I think slut shaming would have consisted of the author saying Paul Walker’s girlfriend was slutty and stupid for dating him. Instead she provided her personal experience on dating an older guy as a teen. Might it be a situation? Sure, but this is not slut shaming. Older guy dating teenager shaming, sure.

  • alltruthbrandon

    First, I will make it clear that I believe in the equality of men and women and I love and respect women. Also, I hate the idea of women being taken advantage of sexually
    Here are my observations on this topic. I did some wikipedia checking, and the age of consent is 16 in 30 US states and all of Canada and Mexico. I know that California’s age of consent is 18, so I am just stating the law in order to give context to this issue. Paul and Jasmine were together for 7 years. Paul was close to Jasmine’s family and her uncle was quoted as saying that they had all had Thanksgiving dinner together a few days before he died. Does that sound to you like Paul was some sort of “predator”? I have read many articles about him, and all indications are that he was a sincere and philanthropic guy who was loved by everyone. I think it is wrong to automatically condemn a man and to dishonor his memory just because he happened to live in one of the 20 states in the entire continent of North America where the age of consent is 18. Peace.

    • Nancy

      Actually in Canada, it’s 16 for sexual activity, but 18 if there’s a big age difference.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      There is no such law like that in Canada.

      “The Tackling Violent Crime Act took effect on 1 May 2008, raising the age of consent to 16 from 14.[7]
      There exist two close in age exemptions, depending on the age of the younger partner. A youth of twelve or thirteen can consent to sexual activity with an individual less than two years older than they. A fourteen- or fifteen-year-old can consent to sexual activity with a partner who is less than five years older than they.[8]
      Criminal law (including the definition of the age of consent) is in the exclusive jurisdiction of the federal government, so the age of consent is uniform throughout Canada. Section 151 of the Criminal Code of Canada makes it a crime to touch, for a sexual purpose, any person under the age of 16 years. Section 153 then goes on to prohibit the sexual touching of a person under 18 by a person in three circumstances: if he or she is in a “position of trust or authority” towards the youth, if the youth is in a “relationship of dependency” with him or her, or if the relationship is “exploitative”. The term “position of trust or authority” is not defined in the Code but the courts have ruled that parents, teachers, and medical professionals hold a position of trust or authority towards youth they care for or teach. For determining whether or not a relationship is “exploitative”, s. 153 (1.2) of the Code provides that a judge can consider how old the youth is, the difference in ages between the partners, how the relationship evolved, and the degree of control or influence that the older partner has over the youth.
      The “position of trust under 18″ anti-exploitation rules were expanded in 2005 by Bill C-2 where a judge may choose to term a situation to be sexual exploitation based on the age of the younger party, age difference, evolution of the relationship (how it developed, e.g.: quickly and secretly over the Internet), the control or influence over the young person (degree of control or influence the other person had over the young person). This passed before the 2008 amendments, and they were not repealed so they are still in effect and can apply towards adults in these situations with young persons over the age of consent and under 18 (16-17).
      Where an accused is charged with an offence under s. 151 (Sexual Interference), s. 152 (Invitation to sexual touching), s. 153(1) (Sexual exploitation), s. 160(3) (Bestiality in presence of or by child), or s. 173(2) (Indecent acts), or is charged with an offence under s. 271 (Sexual assault), s. 272 (Sexual assault with a weapon, threats to a third party, or causing bodily harm), or s. 273 (Aggravated sexual assault) in respect of a complainant under the age of fourteen years, it is not a defense that the complainant consented to the activity that forms the subject-matter of the charge.”

    • Nancy

      It was included in what you just posted: “For determining whether or not a relationship is “exploitative”, s.153 (1.2) of the Code provides that a judge can consider how old the youth is, the difference in ages between the partners, how the relationship evolved, and the degree of control or influence that the older partner has over the youth.”

    • Man_Of_Sin

      Yeah, but as it states age is not the sole factor in determining if the relationship is exploitative.

    • Zarfy

      t doesn’t matter if there are laws against statutory rape. The Constitution, which supersedes any law, grants us a right to privacy. The Government should NOT have the right to make up slanderous lies about the mental capacity of our children and pretend they “can’t control” their own bodies.

      Not advocating breaking any laws…but these laws are Constitutionally sketchy at best, only enacted by people who believe that something magic happens the night of a child’s 18th birthday. It’s ridiculous and silly. Anyone who believes that the Government is able to tell when someone is capable of consenting to sex is just crazy.

    • Nancy

      Oh yeah, actually I worded what I said in that initial comment very oddly, sorry about that! What I meant was, if you’re having sex with someone under 18 you could be charged if you’re much older, re: that part of the law I just reposted. So you’re not automatically safe from the law if the person you’re with is 16 or over, but 18+ it’s good to go lol

    • Alex Harman

      If you’re having sex with someone under 18, you could be charged if you’re much older and there are other reasons to believe the relationship is exploitative, such as the relationship having developed quickly and secretly over the Internet), or the older person exercising a high degree of control or influence over the young person. From what we’ve read about Paul Walker’s relationships with Aubrianna Atwell and Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell, we have no reason other than the age difference for believing those relationships were exploitative, and excellent reason for believing that Ms. Atwell and Ms. Pilchard-Gosnell, as the adults they are today, do not feel they were exploited by Mr. Walker.

    • Kelly

      I’ve known loving families where dad was raping all the daughters. They eat Thanksgiving dinner together too. Does that mean the pedophile, rapist father is not a predator too?

    • Man_Of_Sin

      Awful comparison.

    • Zarfy

      Really raping them? Or “Statutory ‘raping’ ” them?

    • Alex Harman

      “Loving,” in that case, is a facade the family presents to outsiders. Since Paul Walker was not Jasmine’s father, and we have no actual evidence that he ever raped her, I would say the fact that her family invited him to Thanksgiving dinner is in fact strong evidence that they didn’t consider him a predator, and that they were in a better position to judge that than we are.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      18 is the age of consent in 11 states, not 20. 17 in 9 states.

  • Sassy3000

    It is disgusting! Those who try to justify it are a sick perverted lot who should be watched by the cops! And it WAS confirmed by E News! So it was true! GROSS!

    And oh my goodness! Are some sick perverts trying the old “OH you don’t know them” Routine to defend that sick pedophile!? Go to HADES YOU SICK PUKE!

    oh too bad to those who don’t like the term Pedophile! THAT’S WHAT HE WAS! You sick Freaks who keep trying to justify the inexcusable act are beyond putrid! You have sick perverted minds that are clearly warped and twisted and needs serious psychiatric treatment!

    There is no excuse for what he did! PERIOD! If He “Really loved” Her so much, he would have waited two years. But he didn’t so he was just a sick twisted PIG who wanted a young stupid little girl to train. And there are some sick pukes on other web sites thinking this sort of psychotic behavior is okay. NO IT IS NOT! Not now! Not Ever!

    And to disabuse you half-witted AIR-HEADS When a Much older guy seeks you out IT IS NOT because you are “SO MATURE FOR YOUR AGE” but because that sick emotionally retarded puke is SO IMMATURE FOR HIS!

    In answer to the questions of the terminally stupid YES! PAUL WAS A PREDATOR! Just not the type that went from victim to victim! Had he and Jasmine married it wouldn’t have lasted more then 6 yrs. And yes I do know! I’ve studied Marriage, Adultery, and Child-Rearing for over 20 yrs! I know the set-up well! The man finds a woman he can control. He is sometimes nasty and sometimes SUPER SWEET. This keeps the girl off-balance plus the SUPER-SWEET actions gives her all the “ammo” she needs to defend the so-called relationship to anyone who would “Dare” question it. And of course he was a celebrity, so obviously her pathetic excuse for a family thought that made him “Special”! IT DIDN’T and it doesn’t!

    But MOST girls as they grow older and have one or more children, they start to feel the relationship is missing something and she starts to (SLOWLY) realize that he makes MAKES MOST of the decisions for her. The big ones. Yes, the gullible stupid little girl can make millions of stupid insignificant decisions to her hearts content.
    But if she dare make any big ones! Watch out! Soon she decides to do one of two things. One, ask for a divorce OR start having an affair. There is no data on which of these is the more prevalent.
    And soon she leaves him and then he starts the hunt all over again. That is their predatory practices. Sorry if some of you have trouble with reality. I know you don’t think any of this is true because YOU have never heard of this before. EVEN THOUGH IT’S BEEN GOING ON AMONGST THE RICH AND FAMOUS FOR DECADES!
    If you haven’t studied Psychology, you will never see it! You won’t want to see it! You’ll bury your head in your butt, and (Like a few idiots) start attempting to pathetically and farcically to glamorize it. That is sick! There is no excuse! These men are not nice.

    Like I said, they are alternately SUPER SWEET and Super Nasty. And these guys tend to abuse drugs, have multiple affairs, and leave for long periods of time. That’s why they like these stupid little girls. Once they have them wrapped around their little finger they know (for a time) they can do anything they want!

    • Man_Of_Sin

      How old are you? Grow up.

    • JohnHousecat

      …Someone has a lot of anger issues.

    • Sassy3000

      Uh no! And nice try with that pathetic bs. Again! Some loser attacks HOW I said something but has NOTHING to say about WHAT I said.

      That tells me you’ve got nothing. Besides some boring old clichés that is.

      Your response was NOT intelligent nor was it even remotely original.

      But this is the sort of boring sheep-herd mentality I’ve come to expect from idiots with no common sense. lol

    • Alex Harman

      The “stupid little girls” in this instance, Aubrianna Atwell and Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell, would likely disagree vehemently with your rant and be insulted by your characterization of them and of the man they loved. Ms. Atwell dated Mr. Walker “off and on” for several years, and he remained “her best friend” after they were no longer dating and he had become engaged to Ms. Pilchard-Gosnell. Ms. Pilchard-Gosnell, for her part, was involved with him for seven years and engaged to marry him. Moreover, we have evidence that both young women’s families liked Mr. Walker and approved of the relationships.

      Where exactly is your evidence that Mr. Walker was a predator of the type you describe? What evidence do you have that he was “alternately SUPER SWEET and Super Nasty” or that he tended to “abuse drugs, have multiple affairs, and leave for long periods of time?” Certainly there are men, including wealthy and famous men, who fit that description, but you are simply assuming, on very flimsy evidence, that Paul Walker was one of them, and ignoring the much more substantial evidence that he was not.

    • Sassy3000

      Grow up! he was a predator. just because he was willing to walk away for a time from his intended victim does NOT alter the reality he was a puke!

      And it is YOU who is ignoring a little thing called REALITY! And reality dictates that the majority of 16 yr old girls in this country have NO IDEA what real love is. When you hear them talk, it’s like listening to some little 8 yr old girl talk.

      Paul was most likely emotionally immature. A mature man NEVER dates a woman so much younger than himself. PERIOD!

      And NICE TRY LIAR! I never said HE DID THOSE THINGS! I said men like that tend to do those things. But of course if losers like you STUCK TO THE FACTS, you wouldn’t have anything to babble about. lol

    • Alex Harman

      I’m basing my opinion of Paul Walker on the facts presented in the articles I’ve read about him: specifically, the fact that his ex-girlfriend, Aubrianna Atwell, who is now twenty-eight years old, still considered him her best friend several years after their romantic relationship ended; the fact that Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell, at the age of twenty-three (old enough for most women to have outgrown a sixteen-year-old’s childish infatuation), was still dating him; and the fact that Ms. Atwell’s father and Ms. Pilchard-Gosnell’s uncle (and, by implication, the rest of her immediate family) apparently thought well of Mr. Walker and approved of the young women’s relationships with him.

      None of that proves he wasn’t a predator or that he didn’t victimize either or both of the young women in his life, but it is evidence against that hypothesis, and it’s a lot stronger and more specific than the evidence in favor of it. The fact that he was attracted to physically mature women, rather than prepubescent girls and/or boys, is strong evidence that he was not, in fact, a pedophile. Unless and until you present evidence of him pursuing a relationship with a girl young enough to lack female secondary sex characteristics (i.e. breasts and a high hip-to-waist circumference ratio), your assertion that he was a “SICK PEDOPHILE!” is unsupported and potentially libelous, though I can’t imagine his next of kin would care to waste money in suing random internet commenters for libeling him in ignorant and barely-coherent rants.

      It is undisputed that the majority of 16-year-old girls have a very immature view of love and relationships and are potentially vulnerable to the predatory attentions of older men (not to mention boys their own age, whose intentions are also quite often less than honorable). However, we have very little evidence that would allow us to determine whether either Aubrianna Atwell or Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell are part of that majority, or whether either or both of them were unusually mature for their age. What little evidence we have, the fact that Ms. Atwell, at sixteen, had left her home in Las Vegas and moved to Los Angeles to attend modeling school, suggests that she at least was probably somewhat more mature and independent than the average sixteen-year-old.

      It also does seem quite likely that Paul Walker was less emotionally mature than most men his age. The fact that he himself had left home at age sixteen may also have given him a somewhat biased view of the maturity of sixteen-year-olds in general, and/or an affinity for other precociously independent teenagers like (presumably) Ms. Atwell and Ms. Pilchard-Gosnell. I would also note that we don’t actually know that he didn’t wait until each of the young women whose relationships with him we are discussing was over the age of consent before beginning sexual relationships with them, although I would agree that it does seem far more likely than not that he and they didn’t wait that long, human nature being what it is. We do know that Ms. Atwell says she and Mr. Walker were friends for some time before they were lovers; whether that time was measured in weeks, months, or years was not mentioned in the Las Vegas Sun article.

      As to me being a “LIAR,” you flatly asserted that “PAUL WAS A PREDATOR! Just not the type that went from victim to victim!” and then went on to characterize the kind of predator that you assume that he was. When you place an object or person in a category, and then ascribe characteristics to that category, you are ascribing those characteristics to the specific object or person as well; you might want to brush up on categorical logic if you don’t understand that.

      I’m confident this comment will go right over your head, and expect that if you respond at all it will be with another semi-coherent rant rife with misspellings, errors of grammar and punctuation, and gratuitous insults, but it seems worth responding anyway in case anyone more rational than you are happens to be reading this thread at this point.

  • Troy

    Wow, what a low blow to bring up something that’s completely irrelevant now and using it to get 15 minutes of fame. Way to shame yourself Alexis Rhiannon.now everyone knows your name. I hope it was worth it.

  • James

    Don’t feel bad for pointing out something that was so wrong! The age of consent in California is 18 but if younger than 18 the elder in the relationship cannot be more than 3 years older. Also if the the minor is 18 the elder cannot be more than 21 years of age, this would still make the elder guilty of a misdemeanor crime. The people who are saying you are wrong are those blinded by fame and attractive people because they live by a different set of rules. I fault her parents because they sold their daughter to the highest bidder. If she was my daughter Mr. Walker would be removing my John brown From his anus. I hate the men died such a horrible death nevertheless he was wrong and should have been arrested.

    • Zarfy

      It doesn’t matter if there are laws against statutory rape. The Constitution, which supersedes any law, grants us a right to privacy. The Government should NOT have the right to make up slanderous lies about the mental capacity of our children and pretend they “can’t control” their own bodies.

      Not advocating breaking any laws…but these laws are Constitutionally sketchy at best, only enacted by people who believe that something magic happens the night of a child’s 18th birthday. It’s ridiculous and silly.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      This really makes you sound like a pedophile. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but…you are really spitting some pedophile words straight out of a bad episode of Law and Order. I sincerely hope you are merely a troll.

    • Nick

      Laws that violate a minor’s privacy and discriminate against minors are not at all Constitutionally sketchy. Statutes are permitted to restrict rights granted in the constitution all the time, so long as statute meets the corresponding “level of scrutiny” applied to the type of right being restricted. For example, free speech and racial discrimination are both subject to strict scrutiny, that means if the statute is challenged that restricts either a right based on race or one’s freedom of speech, then the government must show that the statute satisfies a “compelling interest” and that the statute is “narrowly tailored” to apply to only that interest. This is why restrictions on free speech in terms of libel and yelling fire in an enclosed space (when there is no fire) are Constitutionally valid.

      Age discrimination and a right to privacy (for marital and non-marital sex) are both subject to the lowest level of scrutiny, rational basis. If one of these rights are violated, the party arguing that the the statute is unconstitutional (meaning, the party challenging the government) must show that there is no rational basis for the statute/restriction/regulation. Statutory rape laws (and virtually all laws that restrict minors based on their age from doing adult activities…like smoking, voting, drinking, etc.) definitely meet this standard. The rational basis being that it is in the public good for minors to be protected from things like sexual predators.

      How about you learn the smallest kernel of Constitutional Law before you go on an ignorant tirade?

    • Man_Of_Sin

      There is no evidence of a sexually encounter so your comment is rather unintelligent.

    • JohnHousecat

      ” Also if the the minor is 18 the elder cannot be more than 21 years of age”

      I hope you meant 16, since at 18 you are no longer a minor/have reached the AoC and age of majority in CA.

  • James

    Alexis keep pointing out the obvious wrong in this relationship don’t let misguided individuals cause you to stray.

  • BJ

    I think if you are a Mormon you can do anything you want,..except if you are gay.

  • G.E. Phillips

    Yes, this. Exactly this.

  • GarnetHenderson

    Alexis, you are the bomb.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Thank you, Garnet.

  • Krusticle

    I’m sure you’re right. But at 16, I was an emancipated minor living alone in a studio apartment and had a full-time job. I didn’t know anyone my age — all my co-workers were 21 or older. So, yeah, I dated men 9+ years older than I was, because those were the only ones I met.

    • turtleposer

      Emancipated minors are a different ball game. If you’ve proven yourself able to live on your own, then it makes total sense. I know people in the same situation. My daughter at 16 did not have the emotional maturity to take care of herself. The problem is that a 16 year old normally just does not have the life experience that someone who’s 33 has had. It’s a bit unfair to most 16 year olds who can be easily snowed by someone who’s been around many blocks.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      That begs the question. How much do we know about this girl?

    • turtleposer

      We don’t. It could be either way. In any case, most 16 year olds are pretty clueless about how the world works. It’s a rare 16 year old who is on the par with a 33 year old. And if she is, HE’s pretty questionable.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      You can say the same about a 18, though. Most of them are still living with their parents.

    • Alex Harman

      I haven’t read anything about Jasmine’s living situation when she and Paul Walker met, but we do know that Aubrianna had left her home in Las Vegas and moved to Los Angeles to attend a modeling school there when she met Paul. She was also the daughter of an extremely wealthy Las Vegas real-estate broker, so she wouldn’t have been in a position of economic dependency on her older boyfriend, as many teenaged girls who get involved with older men are.

  • Dani

    Great piece and thank you for sharing your experience. I had something very similar happen in my life 12 years ago when I was 16… And my father had just passed away and I met a man 7 years older than me.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      I’m sorry you encountered something similar, but thank you for your comment!

  • Emma

    Does no one find it at least odd that a 33 year old man would want to have a relationship with a 16 year old girl? At age 33, a person is in a complete different lifestyle than a 16 year old one. At 16, I was living with my parents and learning to drive and at 33, I was doing my taxes and raising a child. At 33, I had nothing in common with 16 year olds. Does no one think its weird that he found things in common with a girl who hadn’t even moved out of her parents house yet?

    • Kelly

      These men are defective, something is extremely wrong with them.

    • SIMPKINS

      you are defective u dumb bitch…..paul could have any woman he wanted….

    • VladDracul86

      Really? Defective? Come on! Stating that, you could state that about many men ages ago that lead to your eventual creation because 13 was the age of adulthood. Come on now. Wake up.

    • Rachel Sea

      At 16 I was not living with my parents, I had been driving for two years, I had a full time job, I did my own taxes as well as those of some coworkers, and I was co-parenting a young relative. At 16 I had a lot more in common with the 25 year old I dated (but did not have sex with, because neither of us wanted him to be a statutory rapist) than I did with my age group.

      While in general I absolutely agree that 16 year olds should have no romantic relationship with an adult, there are some very rare exceptions. Not knowing the specifics of their relationship, I’d rather give both of them the benefit of the doubt. If he did do something wrong, there is nothing to be done about it now, he cannot be punished, and he cannot hurt anyone ever again.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      It sounds like in your situation, some extenuating circumstances forced you to grow up more quickly than you may have liked. These things definitely happen, and maybe that made you more prepared for a relationship with an older man. It sounds like it did, from what you’re saying — I just think in most cases, the thing that makes people grow up and miss out on their childhood is the relationship with the older person itself. And I don’t like that.

      But you’re right that I don’t know their situation. I’m speaking about mine and using it to extrapolate.

    • Rachel Sea

      But your relationship wasn’t theirs. Unless she decides to spill, any condemnation or support for what they did is assumptive.

      I think it’s completely fine to look at their relationship and extrapolate it to that underage May-December relationships are a terrible idea, but to go the other way round and apply the generalization to their relationship, about which we know zero specifics, is unfair at best.

    • Elizabeth Ariadne Lagesse

      I don’t think you should extrapolate in this way. I’m the same age as you are, and I had two relationships with other men when I was an older teenager. I’ve always hung out with older people. Currently one of my best friends is a 60 year old man. There is a wide variety of human experience, and you should stop presuming that you can make generalizations.

    • Corinna Carpenter

      Uh, how old are you? Why on earth are you friends with a 60 year old man? He sounds like a pervert.

    • Elizabeth Ariadne Lagesse

      I’m 26. How is it weird for two adults to be friends?

    • Corinna Carpenter

      My apologies. I was under the impression you were much younger. But a 60 year old man being friends with a 26 year old woman is a little suspicious.

    • Miss Y

      It’s creepy – he’s her “friend” because she’s young.

    • Elizabeth Ariadne Lagesse

      It’s so sad that you guys have such narrow minds. Sad for you, as you go through your lives with suspicion and fear. Sad for those around you, to whom it might be contagious!

    • VladDracul86

      Nothing wrong with having a wide range of friends. I have such, from 15 (cause they’re awesome gamers like me and my friends my age) to 45 (cause of the same reason). lol! Nothing wrong with having awesome friends all around. Especially when one lassie I know is 15/16 and her parent’s are trying to get us to be together (got to love Gypsies lifestyle lol).

    • FG

      People have narrow mind about younger girls being friend with older men because of feminism and because of older women jealous that attractive men go for younger women. So older women they spread their jealously throughout society in order to come across as somewhat desirable.
      Think about it, is it weird if a younger man hung out with a 50 year old lady ? Not really, but reverse the genders and goes nuts.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      As much as I love the ‘because of feminism’ argument, that means absolutely nothing.

    • CanadianArcadian

      Hello Miss Bigot, nice to meet you!

    • Alex Harman

      You have no idea at all what Ms. Lagesse and her 60-year-old male friend have in common or what the basis of their friendship is, and your assumption that you do makes you look arrogant and stupid.

    • JohnHousecat

      By that logic, a grandfather couldn’t be friends with his granddaughter’s friends (take them out to the movies, to lunch, etc.). WTF is wrong with you people?

    • Lydian DeVere Yard

      I disagree with that. In my twenties, I befriended a gentleman in his fifties who became a dear friend and mentor. There was nothing sexual involved in the least. He became one of my best friends. Friendship is different from sexual involvement, and people of all ages can give your life great fulfillment. But he wasn’t someone I depended on for survival, just a loving, wonderful person who encouraged me in my artistic endeavors. I would sing at the high end club where he played piano. He never gave me money, just shared tips, and gave me some opportunities, but no sexual suggestions or favors came along with that. He was, and remains, a lovely man of great heart.

    • Alex Harman

      You sound like an idiot. Age is no barrier to friendship, and people of widely differing ages can have common interests and enjoy spending time together. When I was in my early twenties, some of my best friends were my fellow members of the Washington Area Secular Humanists organization, most of whom were over the age of sixty-five.

    • Jenna

      I’m the same way… I have always gotten along with older people, as well. I’m a 22 year old female, and one of my best friends is a 51-year old male… who is gay, so no one can say he’s my friend for any other reason than just wanting to be my friend. Many of my other good friends, both male and female, are in their 30s, 40s, or 50s, and my boyfriend is 33. I don’t know why, but I typically don’t get along with people who are the same age as me. So, I agree that people need to stop making generalizations about age differences in both relationships and friendships.

    • kf23

      I dont think it was right for you to bash on paul walkers life. I think this was merely a cry out to get YOUR story across. Yes it has be said that adults should know better and date someone more”appropriate”to their age.. and im grateful that many adults AND teenagers can learn from your story. But you are in no place to use paul walkers life as a headline. it might have been to just catch readers’ attentions.but don’t go comparing your life/mistakes to someone else especially someone who had just passed. it isnt any of your business to research his past relationship(s). You need to keep in mind & be more sensitive to the fact that his family & loved ones could be reading this. but ultimately im glad that youve come to your senses as an adult.and thanks for the message u were trying to carry out to teenagers who are in or are thinking about being involved in physical relationships with older adults.

    • JohnHousecat

      I don’t think she’s come to her senses at all if she’s posting this shit right after Paul’s death. There is no sense of propriety in this author…couldn’t even wait until his body was cold to start picking apart his sexual proclivities because HER relationship with “an older man” didn’t work out.

    • Ashley

      It sounds like one of the key differences in your relationship is that he was not taking advantage of you. If the adult is mature enough to realize they should wait to make things physical they are not acting in a predatory way and taking advantage of the situation. That being said, I still think it is extremely rare that that kind of age difference (at that time in life) is a good idea.

    • Ran

      … and you have inside scoop about their relationship so you can claim that PW did take advantage of her?

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      The ‘inside scoop’ in this case is her age at the time the relationship began. Which was 16.

    • CanadianArcadian

      Which could have included no sexual activity until she was 18 (not likely, but you simply don’t know).

      There literally is no ‘inside scoop’ because you’re making tons of assumptions about their relationship. The ‘inside scoop’ is the rocky road ice cream that is occupying the space where your brain should be.

    • JohnHousecat

      …Rocky Road? …If that were even possible, I’d be a freaking zombie by now.

    • CanadianArcadian

      I’d totally be a zombie if people’s brains tasted like Rocky Road ice cream.

      That ish is bananas.

    • JohnHousecat

      Dreyer’s (or Edy’s, if you’re east Coast)…damn it, now I crave that soft, chocolatey, marshmallowy, almondy goodness.

    • turtleposer

      You are the rare exception. I met a rare exception – a tiny 16 year old girl who was the director of the aquatics program, yes, the Director of the aquatics program at the town’s recreational facility. This was not a person you wanted to get on the wrong side. It can be done.

      However, you showed your incredible judgment by not sleeping with the 25 year old boyfriend. You knew the potential fall-out and behaved well.

      A lot of people in your age group think that having sex makes them more “adult.” Being aware of your responsibilities and weighing the consequences makes you more of an adult. You have a lot to be proud of.

      As far as Paul Walker and the 16 year old? Who knows? Probably not a good idea for him to cradle, but time proved he was devoted to her.

    • Heather

      Nope. I don’t

    • MsGV

      Paul may have felt young at heart or just a carefree person. I didn’t know he was 40! I thought he was my age (late 20s) or early 30s. I really did. He was so handsome. I heard he was a man child who loved cars and young women.

    • Samantha_Escobar

      But…but he knew he was 40.

    • Popgirl

      At 40, she was 23. I think 33 and 16 is not good, don’t get me wrong. I don’t understand what he saw in her. But at 23 I dated a 39 year old and I had a great time for three years..

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      If they’d started dating when she was 23 and he was 40, this would be a different matter. As someone pointed out in another thread, it’s less about the age gap and more about the maturity gap.

    • Ran

      and as people hava said, the maturity gap may not have been very big, since there are 16 olds more mature than 23 yr olds. yeah, i’d side-eye the fuck out of someone dating a 16 at thirty but in the end it all depends on the situation.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Your side eye is really helpful to young women in compromising situations, so thank you for that.

    • saraya

      Make up your mind. Is it about the age gap or the maturity gap? Because you certainly weren’t privy to her level of maturity when she was 16. In fact, you know nothing about her. But the fact that she was 16 is an issue for you. Just because you had a damaging relationship with an older man when you were 16 doesn’t mean it’s that way for everyone else. And I am certainly not saying that it is alright for a much older man to have relations with a girl that age either but you are bashing a situation that you know nothing about.

    • annie

      THIS!!!!!!! YES!!! this literally sums everything up. the author of this article assumes all relationships turn out like hers. umm…not true…majority?? possibly. but then theres still a small number that doesnt. and we DO NOT know the dynamics of their relationship. not every girl at 16 is immature and not every guy who dates one at the age of 30+ is a pig and using them.

      Btw, i didnt agree with their relationship but…who am i to assume what was and wasnt? when u assume u only make an ass of urself (lol..how unoriginal of me)

    • CanadianArcadian

      And you know NOTHING of her maturity at all. You don’t know who EITHER of these two people are AT ALL, and you need to accept that.

      This is about as ridiculous as Asian-Americans getting upset at Katy Perry’s ‘appropriation of Asian culture’ when most Japanese people loved it and welcomed it with open arms.

      You don’t get to decide what is right or wrong or offensive for anyone outside of yourself. To project your assumptions onto the recently deceased who can’t even defend himself is bigoted and morally bankrupt.

    • JohnHousecat

      Unfortunately all of that offense at ‘appropriation’ is a heavy trend amongst social justice warrior blogs right now (especially Tumblr and WordPress), and it goes hand in hand with the radfems taking over feminism, too.

    • GARYBJ

      He “loved cars and young women”? uh yeah…he was a MAN.

    • Miss Y

      What on earth does being handsome have to do with anything? Silly rabbit

    • MsGV

      It was a compliment as to why he looked so young. Don’t call me a silly rabbit, it is rude. I notice a lot of women are jealous. Would they have turned him down? Probably not. I wouldn’t had I been 16.

    • Gus Mueller

      And a responsible father.

    • ted3553

      Yes! I have always thought, what the hell is wrong with these men that they can’t find a woman to date who is nearer their age/has a driver’s license. In my experience and you can all yell all you want at me, they do it because they can manipulate, because a teenaged girl generally has less self confidence and assurance than a grown woman and can be groomed, they can get sex from them and often times, because no woman their own age will date them.

    • pito

      The man find the young girls because they can. Girls want them. That is simple.

    • ted3553

      true. my question is still why would a grown man want a teenaged girl? In my opinion, the answer is the last sentence in my post above.

    • punkROCKINhippie

      At 16 i was on my own filling out my OWN taxes and driving myself everywhere. I met a 29 year old when I was 16 and we have been together since I was 17 (11 years). Everyone is different and you cant change who you love. Open your mind to thoughts not your own. Thats all ted3553. I respect your opinion as a father (i assume youre a parent)

    • ted3553

      i’m glad your relationship worked out. From what I’ve seen, that’s rare. I have a very open mind and I still believe that a relationship between a grown adult and a teen is wrong. and I am a parent (although a woman-ted3553 is a penname). I have a stepdaughter who was 16 and dated a 27 year old for 3 years. I felt it was wrong then and I still feel it was wrong. We couldn’t legally do anything about it.

    • Alex Harman

      Does she feel it was wrong, now that the relationship is over? If she doesn’t, how old will she have to be for her judgment that the relationship was not wrong for her to outweigh your “feeling” that it was?

    • Rick Allen

      It’s very silly to say that because it worked for you it should be ok for anybody. You may be a very mature exception to the rule. Laws are laws for a reason. You should hope young women fall on the side of caution and just don’t do it.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      There is no law on who and who not to date.

    • Plutarch

      You must be a teenager.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      Merely stated a fact.

    • Esme

      Merely stated a falsehood–not very educated, are you, dear?

    • Man_Of_Sin

      Post your source then if it exists.

    • Kelly Bocast

      AND, what planet did you come from???????

    • VladDracul86

      Actually he’s right, it’s only laws on ACTIONS with said teenager.

    • Esme

      WRONG. OK, date away, but if you have sex with someone much younger, in most states, you can wind up in jail and/or labeled as a sex criminal for the rest of your days. You really don’t know that there are laws in such cases?

    • Man_Of_Sin

      You just contradicted.

    • Guest

      I’m not Esme but I’ll try to answer anyway. I don’t think she contradicted herself. You started with “There is no law on who and who not to date” which although is technically correct, do you really think dates always end with no sex? Maybe people don’t have sex in their first, or second or third dates, or first 6 months, etc… but do people often hook up and date someone only to carry on a sex-less relationship? In other words, when two people are attracted to each other and want to date, they’re most likely looking at the same endgame, which is something more. 33-year-old men have no business looking at 16-year-olds that way although technically, there’s no law that says he cannot date her. He just should not seek her out in the first place. Date someone closer to his age or at least, older than 18.

    • VisualInsanity

      No Esme started with “WRONG”.

      “33-year-old men have no business looking at 16-year-olds that way although technically, there’s no law that says he cannot date her. He just should not seek her out in the first place. Date someone closer to his age or at least, older than 18.”

      Elaborate why he has no business and what makes 18 so special.

    • shiva

      I think it’s probably impossible to explain to someone who is still a teenager why certain things are a bad idea. They often take it as a personal insult, a judgement of their character. When I was 16 I thought I knew everthing too. It’s very hard to comprehend what it means to be an adult until you actually become one. This doesn’t happen without the passage of time. The person you are at 16 will not be the person you are at 30. Tates change, opinons change, mistakes are made and hopefully lessons are learned. At 16 – three years before that you were 13. Is thirteen old enough to date a man closer to your father’s age than he is to yours? You would probably say no. In fact it’s easy to say that 16 is very, very close to 13. Your brain is not fully developed until you are 24. It’s a scientific fact that it will be harder for you to have self control during that time because your nervous system is not fully developed. This man, no matter how talented and famous he was, was dating a very, very youg girl. She was not sophisticated enough, not experienced enough to make an informed decision. I’ll bet everyone involved was blinded by this man’s fame and good looks. It’s quite possible that if he lived in a trailor park and worked at McDonalds that her parents would have thought much differently about their relationship. What makes 18 so special? Beats me. But ask yourself – why does this man not want to date a peer? Why did he seek out a girl who never lived by herself, never supported herself, had no independence to speak of. What did they talk about? Her day at school? Did they discuss politics? What could she bring to the table? Probably a lot of adoration that I’m sure catered to his ego. What you belive to be true about love as a teenager changes greatly over time. But you won’t belive it until you get there.

    • VisualInsanity

      1) I’m 23 years old, not a teenager.

      2) There is scientific research that says 16 year olds can make an informed decision. Cold cognition reaches maturity by 15-16. Why do think they are allow to drive which could result in death? And they can stand trial child molestation?

      3) Paul has dated peers before like the mother of his child.

    • Sonny Corleone

      You’re still young and dumb at 23. Come back on here when your balls drop and you’ve got some real skin in the game. You’ll know what I mean in about 10 years. Maybe.

    • VisualInsanity

      Please, my balls dropped like a decade.

    • Passerby

      I waited for 2 years with my girlfriend. Why cant anyone else?

      Also this story is just filled with falacies and appeals to emotion, and the writer was obviously dumb when she was 16 and did mistakes, and met the wrong people. Not everyone does the same.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      If only there was a way to protect dumb kids from ‘the wrong people’…like a law or something to keep them safe from predators.

    • sanlar914msn.com

      rying to compare someone to some one else is just wrong we all don’t look alike or act alike just as hair color changes us from others

    • VladDracul86

      Laws that really are wrong now days. It breaks the constitution to even be registered. You lose the ability to vote, own a weapon, live in most apartment complexes, get a good job, go to school to make yourself better and lose your passport. And I thought this was a forgiving Christian Country for the first timers. But nope, they ruin you first time you make that mistake. I know two people that’ve been ruined by such. And people wonder why recidivism rates are so damn high in this country. Once you ruin their backgrounds with something so egregious as that? They have no reason to even TRY to live on as a normal citizen making up for their wrong.

    • Lydian DeVere Yard

      This is not a Christian country. It wasn’t founded by Christians, and we have no national religion. This country was founded b/c people sought religious freedom. And forgiving doesn’t mean condoning. You can forgive, but still try to make sure it doesn’t happen again. I agree there are some ridiculous circumstances where people separated by a year or two outside the age of consent are convicted as sex offenders if they haven’t actually raped, it was just a relationship, but 33 and 16 is out of line.

    • Daniela

      Many teachers have gone to jail for long periods of time for dating their students right under the age of consent. There are laws in place

    • Alex Harman

      Teacher-student relationships are a different matter; a teacher’s position of power and authority over a student makes any sexual relationship between them inappropriate regardless of their ages. A twenty-five-year-old college instructor dating a twenty-one-year-old senior in one of his classes is doing wrong, even though the relationship would be perfectly acceptable if he were not her teacher.

    • Russell James

      Though, there are different laws for teachers and their students than everyone else. If 16 is the age of consent in your state, and you’re a teacher, it’s still against the law for you to sleep with a 16 year old.

    • Alex Harman

      Thirty-three and sixteen is legal in thirty out of fifty states.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      To you it may seem as such but this is a new world we’re entering into. Even your very children will be the ones leading our country into deciding once and for all where this country is heading in regards to this. Because right now 15/16 with anyone in an age where we’re teaching them already that they’re separate from their families and can think for themselves and all that other BS is really what should be stopped if you’re going to say that 15/16 with 30-40 at all is wrong. As well, if it’s not stopped then send the teachers and parents out there that DO teach that to jail for aiding/abetting/contributing to delinquency of a minor. As well, I want to never see another under 18 year old charged as an adult EVER again. I don’t care if they just killed a million people. They need rehabilitation with not ruining their adult life before they’re even adults and their caretakers need locked away for good! If you want to be forgiving and not condoning, then that’s what you’re looking at… so if your kids were to kill someone in their teen years at all, are YOU willing to take on the responsibility of jail time and have your children put into rehab and foster care? That’s the rub their doll.

      And yes it was founded as a Christian country, an openly liberal Christian country. Otherwise, we’d NEVER have the ten commandments hanging in just about every major court system and hanging in congress and congress still hosting prayer sessions… Welcome to reality. Otherwise we’d of had legal Gay marriage ages ago, drugs of all kinds would’ve been legalized loooooong ago and much more.

    • hendl

      Hon, the Ten Commandments Are NOT originally Christian. They are JEWISH, as they are from the Old Testament. This is NOT a Christian Nation, no matter WHAT hangs in every court system. The Constitution is what tells us the laws AND it tells us that we have Freedom of Religion in this Country.

    • TinfoilCap

      If they knew it was wrong, they should have kept in in their pants.

    • VisualInsanity

      Let me break this down into pieces.

      “First, the magic number 18 is special in the eyes of the law. A person over the age of 18 is considered to be able to make his/her own sexual choices. The adult participant “may be convicted of statutory rape even if the” minor participant “explicitly consented to the sexual contact and no force was used by the actor. ”

      No, that would be 14-16 in most cases. Look up the age of consent from state to state and country to country my uneducated friend.

      ” Statutory rape is defined as: “sexual intercourse with a female below the legal age of consent, but above the age of a child, even if the female gave her consent, did not resist and/or mutually participated. In all but three states the age of consent is 18, and the age above which the female is no longer a child varies although 14 is common. The theory of statutory rape is that the” minor “is incapable of giving consent.” * (Replaced ‘girl’ with ‘minor’.)”

      Very few jurisdictions use the actual term statutory rape in the language of statutes.

      “I may or may not be correct in assuming you are a teen. I was once a teen girl with lofty ideas. I thought I knew the ways of the world and what was best for me. Of course my parents knew nothing about my world…my generation. So, I made my mistakes my way; Mom’s advice be damned. I was lucky or had an angel watching over me. I put myself in some not so safe situations.”

      I’m 23 years old and I don’t care about your life story.

      ” I’m older now and have a teen daughter. Let’s just role play a bit. If you had a 16 year old daughter and a 33 yr old man came to the door to pick her up, what would your reaction be? In a real world situation, most do not look like Paul Walker. Let’s say he was an average 33yr old man: average job-mechanic, decent money, cleans up okay…can’t quite get the grease out from under his nails. Has his own place. Drives a sports car and a big truck. He really likes your daughter. She swoons over him. Are you seriously going to tell me you are going to allow your little girl to “date” this man 17 (17!!!) years older than her??? She is 16…that’s twice her age, plus 1!!”

      The girl’s parents approved of the relationship so asking me how I would act is irrelevant.

      “As a mother, my mind would be screaming P-E-D-O-P-H-I-L-E!The door would be slammed in his face and a restraining order in place.”

      By that definition a 16 year old having sex with a 6 year isn’t a pedophile.

    • TinfoilCap

      Oh my! Ms. Twenty three, I can see you do not like to be bested. I specifically used the United States for my example, since it is true I am “uneducated” as you put it regarding laws of other countries. However, I am not uneducated, as you assumed otherwise. Oh, that’s right. You don’t care about my “life story” as you put it. Honey, that’s not my life story…just a few sentences.

      The information I retrieved and posted (and gave the source for) was taken directly from the Law Dictionary. I suppose If I am wrong, then my source is wrong as well. Take your beef up there.

      I believe you have proven someone’s previous post that the mind actually does not reach full potential growth until the age of 25. In fact, yours might need to bake a bit longer.

      I don’t care if the girl’s parents approved of her relationship with Paul or not. That’s their own failure to deal with. My asking your OPINION is not relevant? Does that mean you have one but don’t want to give it?

      The terms of law may change, but the criminalitiy is the same.
      And this:

      “By that definition a 16 year old having sex with a 6 year isn’t a pedophile.”

      WTH? What definition did you twist to imply this? Your reasoning skills, Ms. Twenty Three have degraded beyond intelligible.

    • VisualInsanity

      “Oh my! Ms. Twenty three, I can see you do not like to be bested. I specifically used the United States for my example, since it is true I am “uneducated” as you put it regarding laws of other countries. However, I am not uneducated, as you assumed otherwise. Oh, that’s right. You don’t care about my “life story” as you put it. Honey, that’s not my life story…just a few sentences.

      The information I retrieved and posted (and gave the source for) was taken directly from the Law Dictionary. I suppose If I am wrong, then my source is wrong as well. Take your beef up there.”

      Ms? I’m a male and the Age of consent is 16 in 31 states, as well as in DC, Puerto Rico, and the military.

      “I believe you have proven someone’s previous post that the mind actually does not reach full potential growth until the age of 25. In fact, yours might need to bake a bit longer”

      In terms of hot cognition.

      “I don’t care if the girl’s parents approved of her relationship with Paul or not. That’s their own failure to deal with. My asking your OPINION is not relevant? Does that mean you have one but don’t want to give it?”

      Explain how its their failure, please. The question was irrelevant because its pointless and subjective.

      “WTH? What definition did you twist to imply this? Your reasoning skills, Ms. Twenty Three have degraded beyond intelligible.”

      Define pedophilia, please.

    • Alex Harman

      In most states (thirty of them, to be specific) a sixteen-year-old can legally consent to have sex with a partner of any age; there are only eleven states where the age of consent is eighteen, and nine more where it’s seventeen. And, as Man_of_Sin correctly stated and you ignorantly contradicted, no state has a law that says you can’t date someone of any age, if your dating activities do not include sex.

    • Guest

      But dating activities DO include sex. Maybe not the first or second or third dates but many inherently lead to sex. First they make out and then they make love. ;)

    • VisualInsanity

      You never heard of abstinence.

    • sanlar914msn.com

      Not in todays world… sex ed has the answeres… like putting gas in a car what for!

    • Rico Stifler

      Ugh, a moron. There are many that have held off sex until their gf/bf turned 18. It isn’t something that is unheard of.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Neither is grooming.

    • Rico Stifler

      And what does grooming have to do with anything? Unless it was something that you were implying about yourself?

    • Learning64

      Or at least be perceived as incredibly disgusting by your peers.

    • Inclement Weather

      Laws are laws for a reason. Well, the law used to be that the age of consent was 12. There are a lot of laws that are just stupid, or that are a catch all. This is what’s known as a victimless crime.

    • Miss Y

      Nobody said it was a crime (although, technically it may have been), just a bad idea. As it worked out, you are probably right, but more often than not, there IS a victim – the young girl who is traumatized upon finding that she meant nothing to her “new love”. Young girls are romantics and imaginative; it’s cruel to use them for sex.

    • DJH

      That’s a pretty gross overgeneralization of females.

    • AugustineThomas

      ‘Overgeneralization’

      Translation from the leftist: fact.

    • VladDraul86

      And a young lass under 18 feeling used by a male under 18 is any different? Come on now lmmfao! Just saying. People need to remember that in this over-sexed society, the age of adult hood will either RISE or will be lowered back to 12/13 as it was for Centuries, because physiologically at 12/13 you’re an adult. Mentally? You may be or may not be. Hell I know 40/50 year olds that still think they’re teens/twenties. Mentality is mentality, our minds are constantly growing and reducing ALWAYS. There’s no difference in it.

    • kygirl

      Um, physiologically, you are NOT an adult at age 12/13. Your brain, you know that little, unimportant thing that controls, well, actually EVERYTHING in your body, is not fully developed until about age 25. That’s when the prefrontal cortex develops. That would be the part of the brain that plans, and decides what is a good vs. bad decision, or decides if an activity is safe. Two 18 yr olds making bad decisions is VERY different than a 17 yr old and 33 yr old.

    • Learning64

      Do you honestly think that is the same thing? If so, you must be 18.

    • snoopdawg

      I’m pretty sure there are a fair share of young men who are also romantics and imaginative. You make girls sound so pitiful….

    • Alex Harman

      True, but there’s no evidence that Paul Walker was simply using either Aubrianna Atwell or Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell for sex, and the nature of the two women’s relationships with him at the time of his death strongly suggests that he wasn’t.

    • Dionysius John

      That’s why girls have mother’s… but if the law is 16, then it’s nunayobiness, so just quit gossiping, hagling!

    • Esme

      Wrong–the younger person is nearly always the victim, even many years later. The pattern has been established early on, and you can bet the older party holds the power and wears the pants throughout the relationship, whether it ends up being a 50-year-marriage. Who wants to be in that position all their lives?

    • VladDracul86

      While that idea may hold some water. Then what you’re saying is to break away from the old tradition like women tried to do long ago so they could be of their own free will, freedom to work, not just be a home maker and all. But at the same token, some young lass’ grow up wanting to just be a housewife. Like the times before back during WWII and before, that was a major thing for a lass at 13 to marry anyone between 20-30 so long as the male was well established with a house, good income and several other things that could make a well to do family. Honestly the mentality of some 13-17 year olds I know are higher than some 30-50 year olds I know. The physiological age of an adult is at 12/13 (personally I say 13 because of the -Teen being in the word). We live in a world that’s trying to raise the age of adulthood while the other side is trying to lower it back. Either way, if it’s raised you’ll see more 13-17 y/o’s with older men or women just because that’s what the young lassies look for, a male that’s well established above that of the males their age just now experiencing their youthful hormones that lead them to mostly be immature/unresponsible with sex and cause pregnancy without marriage or even having an established life to rear a child up in.

    • bevtoastily

      Whatever. The “mentality” or “maturity” of a girl is irrelevant to this issue (and for what it’s worth, it’s impossible for a teenager to be as mature as a middle-aged adult, so don’t even try). The problem with a kid marrying an adult is that the kid is robbed of her childhood, and she doesn’t have the perspective or experience to know whether or not she is making the right decision. She doesn’t know if there are better opportunities for her out there. There might be more interesting things to do than be some old guy’s housemaid. Sorry, but marriage usually stops a woman’s development dead in it’s tracks. She gets married, gets pregnant, and that’s it. Her life is over (usually).

      Would you think it’s alright for a sixteen year old boy to marry a 35 yr old woman, have a kid, and be suddenly burdened with the drudgery of family life? No? So why do you think it’s okay for a girl? And no, girls don’t really mature that much earlier than boys, so don’t give me that crap.

    • brewster101

      Statutory rape laws were enacted when girls were considered a burden on the family, were a liability once they became sexually mature, and their father’s usually couldn’t wait to marry them off at 13, preferably to a well-off man (which almost always meant much older and still does), whom the girl did not love or have any desire to marry. It’s not 1890, anymore. Women are empowered, they don’t get shafted by the courts in divorces anymore, they have rights and options. This is not India or Pakistan. The author freely admits she was interested SEXUALLY in an older man, and she was enthralled with him being sexually interested in her. She was of a typical age where most boys and girls become sexually active and she clearly WANTED to become sexually active. There is no “victim” here. Kudos to her for having the decency not to ruin a guy’s life forever just to spite him.

    • bevtoastily

      No. Statutory rape laws were created when our society decided that young women, and women in general, are entitled to human rights, and that they were entitled to do something other than marry and breed. EVEN THEN, the age of consent was inapropriately low, and still is, in my opinion. They became created roughly around the same time when forced marriages fell out of fashion. Forced marriage is rape.

    • brewster101

      Well, sort of…..almost every state also enacted an exception or defense to statutory rape; if the minor were emancipated OR if the minor were MARRIED to the adult with the permission/consent of her parents (by signing the marriage license). So actual marriage by permission of the parents (or emancipation) was then (and still is in a number of states) an affirmative DEFENSE to the crime of statutory rape. You are right in that, statutory rape laws were primarily enacted in response to a trend of young women becoming concubines or domestic servants in an UNMARRIED relationship. So in reality, these laws were enacted to encourage MARRIAGE between the minor and adult (with the consent of the parents or emancipation by the court), NOT to discourage a sexual relationship of any kind between minors and adults. Again, my point still stands that young women at this time had little or NO options other than to marry a man with means. They couldn’t work to support themselves, except in some very limited capacities (e.g. as an elementary school teacher), had limited access to college education, were even denied property rights and so on. And my point still stands that today, NONE of these coercive pressures are true, anymore (at least in the Western world, other countries like Pakistan and whatnot are entirely backwards). Plenty of 15, 16, 17 year-old women are totally interested in sexual relationships with 20, 25, 30 year-old men, and its NOT because they NEED to find a financially secure man, else they can count on being impoverished. And many of them are NOT virgins, either. Many have already lost their virginity to some dumb 15~17 y.o. boy who doesn’t know how to put on a condom, doesn’t have a job, and will be dumping her in six months as soon as he meets another sexual conquest.

    • TinfoilCap

      Of course 15-17 year old girls (not women yet) are interested in sex. They are coming into puberty with hormones and curiousity raging. However, the point many have tried to make on this forum is that at those ages the human brain has not fully developed to its full capability to make truly rational decisions. You are speaking historically of the whens and whys statutory rape laws were put into practice. The bottom line is that they are in place to protect girls (and boys) from being preyed upon by older sexual partners or predators. In all but 3 U.S. states, the laws are in place to protect those under the age of 18. It does not matter if the under aged party consented or participated, there is a possibility the adult party can be charged. This does not mean that the person will be prosecuted, but the possibility is there.
      Now, those laws are for persons that are above the ages considered not a child which is commonly 14; However, the age of being considered a child for this legal purpose varies by state.
      14 years to 18 years — As a teen it seems like an eternity, but it really is such a short span. Kids do mature in that span…their bodies faster than their brains most of the time.
      I think we as parents and the responsible adults of the world need to begin teaching our daughters and sons respect for themselves. Sex and sexuality is in their faces all the time through media. We need to teach them it is not what life is all about. They are special and their bodies are special–not a buffet but a fine, exquisite once in a lifetime opportunity to share. Make virginity a thing to be respected and reverent again..Not to be made fun of.

    • Chriscynthia Phillips

      I think you are missing a large part of her comments. She does now see that it was wrong and inappropriate. That was the purpose of her commentary.

    • brewster101

      Great, she has joined the ranks of adult women who think the same thing about one or more adult relationships they’ve had, or even a similar-age relationship in their youth. What we are really talking about is, at what age are men or women ‘old enough’ to make decisions they will only later come to regret or conclude was a bad idea? It’s not like there is some shortage of adults regretting a relationship with someone their own age.

    • Chriscynthia Phillips

      I’m assuming you like young girls. They are after all so easily misled.

    • brewster101

      I’m assuming you’re out of defensible or credible argument. They are after all much more difficult than resorting to ad hominem.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Agreed, thank you.

    • Learning64

      Wow, congratulations for completely missing the point, genius.

    • Inclement Weather

      So you’ve jumped to a series of conclusions that I can’t quite keep up with. Even if that may *generally* be the case, there are many exceptions. I could come up with a lot of rules of thumb that are USUALLY true, but they shouldn’t become laws.

    • Inclement Weather

      I’m not interested in whether “I can bet” something. I’m more interested in facts than a string of assumptions.

    • Alex Harman

      It’s a lot sillier to say that even though it worked out for punkROCKINhippie, it should still be illegal for everybody, including her. One counterexample is sufficient to conclusively disprove any rule claimed to be universal. Laws are laws for the reason that a majority of members of some legislative body , who are fallible human beings and often not even all that bright, thought they would be a good idea.

    • sanlar914msn.com

      Laws can change look at the GLTG people the law made something bad into good. Did you vote for the change or was it handed to you to except.

    • Joshua Carter

      yeah, great, I’m glad that worked out with the creepy 29 year old guy when you were 16. C’mon! Think about it. You were doing your own taxes, so the next logical and moral step is for you to start bangin’ 30 year old men, who, I would assume have some sort of social ineptitude and cannot pickup 25-35 year old women, but must, instead, hang out around high school girls?

    • AugustineThomas

      You seem like a way bigger scumbag than the girl who says she loves someone who is 11 years older than her.

    • Steven Bordeaux

      I’m related by marriage to a guy who not just dated, but married a 16 year old when he was about 30. But I have to say honestly, they were made for each other, though their marriage only lasted about 2 or 3 years. If anything, she took advantage of him – he was about on the same maturity level as her. But that being said, any 30 year old guy who comes after my daughter when she’s a teenager will regret it.

    • TinfoilCap

      Spoken as a true father.

    • VladDracul86

      I hope you look back into your family tree and find some young lassie being married to an older man. Just saying. You will if you go back past WWII. Most will. 12/13 was the physiological age of adulthood and should still be to this day, it’d certainly help decrease crime rates to allow them to grow up and work.
      I’m glad things worked out for her and the guy she’s married too. It’s stuff like this entire article that brings out the fact that this is a more prevalent issue and the laws in time will be gone to make 12/13 age of adulthood again.

    • fiftyoddkickback

      What is with the term “lassie”? You are defending this older-man-preying-on-younger-girl thing way too hard. and you keep bringing up 12 and 13 years olds, which makes you even creepier.

    • Caroline Marks

      Lassie is a term often used in Scotland and Ireland referring to
      a young girl. I have often seen the term in historical novels.
      Fathers called their daughters or nieces lassies. Many years ago it was common for young girls to marry at a very young age.
      I personally feel no one should marry before thirty.

    • fiftyoddkickback

      I know what lassie means. I don’t understand why you are bringing up the dark ages as a defense for the indefensible. Well, maybe I’ve answered my own question.

    • Daniela

      I am sure they were forced marriages, no 12 year old wants to marry an old man have forced sex and lose her childhood. You should not be idealizing this era. We have progressed since then.

    • PS2 was/is AMAZING,CLASSIC

      What the fvck? “Lose their childhoods” is a bunch of bullsh!t. “Growing up” is a biological/neurological process, it isn’t triggered by taking care of kids or filling out invoices.Hell, my self from 10 years in the 2nd grade would bill patients with my mama, and take care of my 2-year-old cousin…Cook eggs, change clothes for the kid…Did it make me grow a frickin beard and muscles? Lol no…Sorry, I know what you meant by that phrase, it’s just that I’ve heard that phrase being used to say things like that.

    • Jade

      I thought he was a Scottish child molester or something.

    • fiftyoddkickback

      hahaha!!

    • fiftyoddkickback

      hahaha!!

    • Lawlita

      So back when life expectancy was 20+ years less than it is now and we had few to no resources for prolonging women’s fertility? Those little tidbits wouldn’t be relevant would they?
      I’m also just so glad you took it upon yourself to declare physical development the only valid aspect to consider. AND congrats on your use of big words like “physiological”; it really adds that ‘educated asshole’ flair to the “old enough to bleed, old enough to breed” argument.

    • roundtheway

      Since when does filing taxes and the ability to drive become indicators of maturity.

    • DJH

      Considering the writer mentioned driving and other activities as indicators of mental capacity / brain development, I’d say those are relevant to the conversation from punkrockkhippie

    • Rico Stifler

      They point to that person’s independence and, imo, opinion, their maturity.

    • sanlar914msn.com

      In highschool, we don’t teach skills for real life

    • Steven Bordeaux

      I agree its your own business and your own choice. But as a father I cringe – sorry…

    • VladDracul86

      if teens were actually taught to think logically like adults again? You’d not cringe at all. Just saying. Because I know many 13-17 y/o that act way above the age of several 40 year olds. We live in a new age. That phase of making the age of childhood up to the voting age isn’t going to stay for much longer. It’ll reduce back down to 13 again in time. It’s something that people will have to accept and teach their children about. Besides it’ll be better for them so they can rid these stupid child labor laws, get them to work and stay out of criminal activity and “partying”.

    • Jim

      I’ve read most of the comments posted and now add my own. My father was 39 when he met and married my 17 year old mother. They had and raised two sons and one daughter. At a young age I often wondered what she saw in him, but now understand age has no bearing on love. They were married for 52 years and I have yet to witness a deeper love than these two had for each other.

    • Guest

      My in-laws were the same way, happily married, big age gap and she was only 15-16 when married. Then my father-in-law had a stroke, recovered but it progressed into big-time memory loss or Alzheimer’s disease, his cognitive skills deteriorated to the point of being unable to communicate with anyone and taking care of himself. Her resentment during their marriage finally came out, felt her husband was a control freak to the point that she didn’t bother to speak up or risk rocking the boat. She tried to maintain a happy front to almost near-breakdown privately. So yes, appearance can be deceiving. And yes, he wore the pants in the family.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Scary story. Thanks for sharing.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      Well, personally age can have a bearing on it, merely for the fact that everyone has their I guess you could say “taste” in a certain age. The ones that go after anyone under 14/15 I question. But then again in our society we have made the age of a child older and with these child labor laws, we find ourselves having children that enter into a system where they can’t work a real job and learn anything about themselves in anything other than a failing school system so then when their self esteem is lowered by the other piss poor creations out there, no matter how grand your parenting skills might be, boom, you have an increased criminal activity. Hell, I’ll even be the first to say that at my age anything lower than 24/25 is bad enough just because I don’t have that kind of energy (and beg God for every day again cause I miss being younger). But facts are facts, if our society is going to allow for such creations to happen we will either continue to see the increase in crime and incarceration rates or we do something about it. We could always go for my harsher idea, Sterilize and Chemically castrate from birth up till I suppose what ever the agreed national age of acceptance would be. But I’d say don’t do it till the avg age of graduation (24/25). But for that to happen would require many countries re-do their own constitutions and well, the people of most the countries that’re claiming to be more “evolved” since the dark ages refuse to enter into a new era when their “laws/constitutions” were made not to distant from that time period. Not to mention with Psychiatrists now starting to say that 30 should be the new age of adulthood… it astounds me…. Because fact is that If that happens? I want to see, Drinking/Smoking/Military service ages ALL at 30. Then see how much more crime rates go up? Not to mention the insane DROP in military service all over the civilized planet because everyone by then will have learned what a croc it is now days to die for someone else’s political expedience and not for the REAL service of War for true “Freedom.”

      I can guarantee when/if I ever have a daughter (and/or son) they will be capable to at least take consequences like any adult should and learn from that, thus making them higher forms of adults when they reach whatever the age of adulthood is by the time in the country we would live. If they should want to date someone older, they wouldn’t have any question about asking if it was ok to date as such, I’d have to keep it under consideration and if after meeting said person seems alright? and passes my tests. Then I’d be like ok, lets keep the contact up, we shall see where this progresses, if it passes the first year and a half, then they’d have my blessing to continue. If I sense any issues, then there will be talks. But my limit would be no more than 15 years older for my daughter or son if they were 14/15/16 (depending on how I feel at the time and where society has gone at that point). But either way, if my children decide to go behind my back to have such relationships and they’re hurt, they’ll learn real quick what that shyte is like early. Which in turn could be a blessing. Because at least then they’ll either learn to stay away from the idea of “love” for a while and focus on education through graduating college then getting back in the game. Or, will have at least learned how to be very cautious and not easy. It’s all on the parent to teach children of today how to do things greatly as they grow. If you teach them wrong, or are not fully honest about your feelings of society while asking their thoughts on it as they progress through aging, then you’re going to have dishonesty and/or worse.

      But for those against the idea that 13/17 year olds as adults, then how is it we’re having more of them young adults capable of doing so much? Including the increasing famous ones that come up with live saving designs? Or inventions? What about the famous and artistic ones that make millions and become celebrities and either end up like Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus (which is annoying, but when you look at her brother Travis, you understand why she’s so wild). If we’re also willing to charge them as adults for committing serious offenses, we can’t be hypocritical and tell them what they can’t do either that’s a consensually considered adult thing by the time they are of a decent age to conceive the idea of any kind of pleasure. Freud and the like have spoken on this in multitudes and if people are going to tell me that the era of today is any better than the dark ages in this matter, then why were the children and young adults from the dark ages up to renaissance especially educated highly? Then you had civilization increasing more and the education increasing their intellect even more so? Why did our schools end at 8th grade with final exams (in america) that I GUARANTEE YOU and 98% of the rest of American’s can’t answer correctly without needing google, and even then getting the right answer with the millions of results and sourcing your finds properly? The new Era coming up out of this turmoil will be more insane to people like yourselves than what you considered insane from the past of dark ages up till about 100 years ago!

    • Esme

      OK, good on you, but you are the exception. The adult nearly always has the power, and that’s enough wrong right there. Perhaps you were exceptionally mature for your age and didn’t let yourself get pushed around. I’ve known many girls in your situation and in practically all cases, this type of arrangement ends very badly.

    • Lydian DeVere Yard

      You can’t choose/change who you love, but you can certainly choose who to be with, love notwithstanding. If a woman loves a man who beats her, should she stay because of the reason that she can’t choose who she loves. She can love him, but leave because the relationship is toxic and dangerous for her and any children she has.

      Come to think of it, you certainly CAN choose who you love. If you actively pursue a relationship that’s developing toward a commitment, you make that choice. Love, real deep love doesn’t happen in an instant. It blossoms over time, and you give yourself the chance to fall in love.

      This is not a comment on your relationship, I know nothing about it. I assume you’re happy and that’s a good thing. But you may be an exception.

    • Sonny Corleone

      your boyfriend is a pedophile. who cares how long you were together, he should have been in jail for dating you at 17 unless it was legal in your state. And regardless of that, he should have his head examined for wanting to be with a child.

    • Jade

      A 17 year old isn’t really a child. Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children. 17 year olds are too old for most pedophiles!

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      lmmfao! for most of the ones you speak of 12 is even to old hahahaha

    • Alex Harman

      There are only nine states where it would be illegal for an adult of any age to date a seventeen-year-old, and not all seventeen-year-olds meet any reasonable definition of the word “child.” A seventeen-year-old who lives on her own, holds a job, gets herself too and from work, and does her own taxes is most certainly not a child in any sense other than some arbitrary legal technicality. Also, “pedophile” is a psychological term, not a legal one: it means an adult whose sexual attraction is directed primarily or exclusively at pre-pubescent children. A man who wants to have sex with a seventeen-year-old is not a pedophile; a pedophile is someone who would prefer to have sex with a twelve-year-old, or even younger.

      Your nickname is well-chosen, incidentally, as Sonny Corleone was a stupid, impulsive jackass who mismanaged his family’s business and got himself killed by walking into a completely predictable ambush.

    • Sonny Corleone

      stated like a true pedophile Alex! The fact that you know what states you can legally prey on 16 year old girls says it ALL…you are gross!

    • Alex Harman

      Spoken like a true willful ignoramus, Sonny! The fact that you persist in misusing the word pedophile after it’s been correctly defined for you, that you assume the only reason a person would take two minutes to do a Google search for age of consent laws by state while participating in a discussion related to that topic is because that person wants to “prey on” teenaged girls, and for that matter that you can’t tell the difference between knowing how many states set the age of consent at sixteen and knowing which states they are (also easy enough to look up, but I haven’t needed that information to make any of my points so far) says it ALL… you are dumber than a box of rocks!

    • guest

      Man, you’re trying too hard! Your posts give me the creeps. Why would a grown man want a teenage girl? What would they talk about? Ask her if she finished her homework or study for her SAT?

    • boy17

      Sonny, what a dumb comment. Dating 17 year olds is legal and in fact normal in just about every nation, and every year in history, except this one. You are using the word “Pedophile” in a stupid way. Hope that people like you all die off so we can get rid of this dumb idea.

      Signed, a 17 year old boy.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      LOLz! You’re already helping brighten the future a good bit. In Ireland Ironically, 17 IS the age of Consent… one year before the legal age of drinking/smoking/military service if they ever decided to have a true military/garda(police) service and fire service.

    • Sonny Corleone

      You said it best, you’re a boy. I’m a man. That’s why there’s zero merit in your opinions. One of these days, your balls will drop and that peach fuzz on your marbles will turn dark and you’ll understand that dating a child when you’re a grown ass man, is disgusting. I’d prefer Selma Hiyak over Walker’s girlfriend ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Since your just a stupid 17 year old, it’s highly likely that you’ll die in a car crash because you’re just as wreckless behind the wheel as you are with your words. Sit down, shut up and know your place, BOY.

    • Daniella

      And I assume you needed a Parent

    • Alan

      you weren’t doing your own taxes at 16.. don’t lie.

    • USAisROME

      the May December romance thing is as old as biology.. young women want experience, stability and maturity, older men want youth and beauty and maybe to feel younger than they are… it’s not very mysterious nor surprising. Most cultures in the world are much more accepting of it than ours. While not my cup of tea, many older men and younger women are obviously AOK with it.

      I completely disagree that the reason is the ability for the man to manipulate the younger woman or his inability to attract mates of a similar age, that sounds like an American moralist excuse. Do you really think Paul Walker was unable to attract 33 to 40 year old women?

      Edward James Olmos met his wife when he was 56 and she 24 and they are as happy as clams evidently. I don’t buy the idea that if there is a big age difference she is broken and he is sick.

      Not all men go through life bent on control of women or with the goal of meeting and controlling immature women, In fact I find the OP and follow up laughable and insulting towards men.

      Everyone has their taste, I’ve always tended to be attracted to 35-40ish women… when I was 16, 26, 36, and 46 I always liked them… some guys I know tend to like them much younger…. but I’ve never known a guy that fits into the assumption put forth in this thread.

      I think its very naive to make a slam dunk assumption that Paul Walker was a creep who was dating a younger woman because she was immature and open to manipulation for sex. We don’t know what her maturity level or motivation was or is and likely never will. Does she feel victimized or damaged? Was she exceptionally adult when they met or not? She stayed for 7 years and her parents didn’t bring in the law, both of which make major statements. Society sets an arbitrary legal line at 18 for some good reasons, but it definitely doesn’t define everyone in the world.

      Like many things in life, I think there isn”t a cookie cutter answer for all and I choose not to make the assumption about the guy.

    • SIMPKINS

      the pussy is better ted and they had things in common the beach hiking and all of that…it is a very big age discrepancy but paul walker could have had any girl he wanted and thats a fact….maybe she was way more mature than her age and who is anyone to question why or what they did when her parents didnt mind at all….

    • VladDracul86

      Agreed

    • Jess Jack

      Your statement “the @&?#! is better” is very similar to what my husband said as to the reason why an older man would want to date a (much) younger woman. Does the condition of a women’s &%$#? contribute to her overall value? Your statement really speaks to men’s intellect.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      Not the intellect of all “Men”. Just a majority. There are a minority with a higher sense of self. But at the same time could still logically argue soundly for the same thing he speaks, just in a less derogatory manner.

    • Jess Jack

      I don’t know if there is “logic” to this subject. With all of the advancements in computer, machine technology and medicine that were mostly engineered by men,one would feel that men have advanced beyond solely taking a women’s sexual attributes into consideration when choosing her as a worthy partner. Men should take the MRI, CT scans and other diagnostic machines they developed and view the human skull and they will realize that women’s brains are in their heads.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      You’re right because her parent’s DIDN’T mind. I’d think even the parent’s would’ve been enamored with the idea that someone as well off as Walker and good looking was even REMOTELY interested in their daughter so the blessing was right there. Because if Walker fucked up royally they could all sue for whatever amount they’d want, get one hell of a settlement and call it a day! Got to love the society right? LOL!!!!! But if Walker was just some normal guy? Guarantee ya there’d be NO allowance of it.

    • Jess Jack

      I agree with you, in that, I too feel that Mr. Walker’s celebrity had a lot to do with her parents allowing her to date a 33 yr. old man. But 33 and 17 is quite an age difference and I wouldn’t have allowed my 16yr.old to do it. But on another level, how can an adult relate to a teenage person whose biggest fears and concerns may involve being grounded and that their biggest goal is getting their driver’s license or saving up for a car.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      However, if you teach a child to be ready to be more like an adult by the time they’re around 13-17, they’ll be more highly filled with proper esteem than those around their age not being taught as such. Look at the “Travelers/Gypsies” they marry off at 15/16 (sometimes as early as 14) to men who are 20+ and already established. They’re raised and taught to think like adults (not like that pathetic show shows the worst part of it where they’re still childish even when that age) the 90% of them are more like adults and already ready to drive/have license and car because they worked (granted against child labor laws) so they learned how to be an adult and be responsible. If you’re going to talk about children being in danger, then you have to basically BAN the people that act/claim to be travelers/gypsies as well then you might as well talk about nudist colonies that’re still allowed in the USA being shut down and the elders thrown in jail for being pedophiles when they’re not because children just happened to be raised the same way in the same manner, except for when going to schools of a local area. We can’t allow any room for hypocrisy in the slightest if you’re going to make laws on such. Then to further protect the children and young adults, sterilize/chemically castrate them until they reach the legal age. It’ll prevent pedophilia anyway, and prevent even just the normal aged young adults from 13-17 from trying to get with older people, and prevent older people from needing/wanting younger ones (at least by 80%). This will also lower the need/wanting among teens as well from even performing sexual acts possibly gaining std’s or becoming pregnant (especially out of wedlock). So then you also drop the experimentation between them as well as increase their desires to either BE adults and wanting to work hard to be greater than previous adults so they should be allowed to work, not to mention finally have greater focus on school with sex no longer a forethought on their brains (especially for the young adult males). My preferred age to take them off those two chemical inductions is actually 24/25 (average age of graduating college). Until we’re willing to do that. Then we must revert to making 13 the age of adulthood and lowering things to better standards because I already know several teens at 13/14 that could’ve driven a car properly on the roads including highways without issue better than most people my own age (near 30). But if we won’t give them adult privilege and justification then we MUST STOP with the CHARGING them LIKE ADULTS if they commit even a mass murder. Putting them into a jail cell with adults when you’re claiming that the charged one is NOT? That’s a higher hypocrisy than anything else. They must be taken to a facility to be re-educated. Their parents must be investigated highly to see if they’re the reason for the delinquency and if found guilty of such must be put in Jail with other adults for being bad parents. They should not just be allowed to go free. Show the sign of going after parents for being irresponsible, you’ll end up with a result of less STD’s (not gone but less), HELL of ALOT less Pregnancies (or increase in Abortions, regardless of the invasive religious aspects in conservative states) and more over a great deal less orphans to take care of here in America and even other civilized nations. We can’t just be STUCK in the middle with this BS.

    • Jess Jack

      Though there is nothing wrong with teaching a child to be more responsible and giving them attention and respect so that they will be less likely to seek these things elsewhere, I do believe that children must be allowed to be children. The people that you mention early in your post and their views, are those of a EXTREMELY small percentage of the population. Oh and BTW, how does sterilization and chemical castration prevent pedophilia? I am a women,40-ish with 2 girls 16 and 6. Any 33 yr. old wanting to date my daughter, will be viewed very critically by me. Not only will he NOT date my daughter, he will be perceived by me as not mentally mature. Charging children as adults is wrong. Maturity takes time. You develop a patina as you go along. Teenagers are going through the biggest physical psycho-social development of their lives. They need role models who will model appropriate age-related behaviors. That’s all it is Maniac-86. it’s my perspective.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      Oy still not used to this Disqus thingamajig… anyway…
      It really depends on how that young adult would be raised in the first place. If they’re raised right anyway, the idea of being “Grounded” is merely a dumb thing of the past for them (PRE Teen years and before). Saving up for a car or getting a drivers license isn’t hard. If the child labor laws were removed in all states you’d see young adults actually stay out of crime and be less lazy over time (though that doesn’t stop their imagination in finding ways to still be lazy lol). So saving up for a car, learning how to spend responsibly, save responsibly, etc. Not to mention if we lowered the age of even just LEARNING how to drive, you’d see a great deal of accidents (non alcohol related) being prevented because we will have had more people with more time and experience on their hands. Hell, here in my state you can be 14/15 and have a full fledge Boating License now. Those things are JUST as dangerous if NOT MORE to be driving by yourself!!! So I could DEFINITELY see them having cars too. It’s all about how you raise your child PRE-TEENAGE years. You’re able to have them take on more responsibility and what you normally consider adult issues (that they willingly take on without care for laws, etc). And I still feel that if we’re going to keep under 18 listed as a MINOR/CHILD? You must treat them as such, including and up to them causing a singular or mass murder. The caretakers should be the ones that get the jail time penalty and the young adult that we’re calling a child, we can send to a rehab facility to help them get out of their mental funk that got them to be as they are now. As I’ve said in previous posts to others, we can NOT be the STUCK IN THE MIDDLE state when it comes to this VERY SERIOUS ISSUE that’s at hand. So until that’s decided, we must remove all those laws for issues like Walkers and others that aren’t even celebrities so that those who innocently fuck up in that situation aren’t ruined forever and can genuinely live a normal life without being disgraced and to prevent the young adults from suffering the stigma of having sent someone off to jail just for either loving or for just being selfish and wanting to get laid. Rape is being FORCED not “Tricked” considering young men trick girls into thinking they’re loved and use them just as much as a normal man does the same to a woman. You’ll see in time though.

    • frank bayer

      Why would a grown man want a teenaged girl? it has something to do with skin’s firmness

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      IT PUTS THE LOTION ON IT’S SKIN OR IT GETS THE HOSE AGAIN! LMMFAO!!! Had too! XD

    • Rico Stifler

      No woman Paul Walker’s age would date him? Yeah, right. Also, just cuz they started dating when she was 16 does not mean at all that they had a sexual relationship at that point either. They could have easily waited til she was 18.

    • Esme

      If you had a 16-year-old daughter, would you be OK with her dating someone old enough to be her father? I don’t think so.

    • DearbornImpetuousPoster

      I would be, if I believed that he loved her. That’s all that would matter to me.

    • Mark

      If he loved her he wouldn’t have hesitated to live with her and make her his wife. Now on the other hand, if he just wanted to bang someone younger and firmer he might have done just what he did and not live with or marry her. He said himself he had no interest in committing. Speaks volumes, if you think about it. And that’s the difference between being a father and being a parental gold digger who passes his too young daughter off to a celebrity for “use” in the hopes that he’ll marry her. A real father would know the difference of intentions.

    • DearbornImpetuousPoster

      Well, they were together for seven years – that sounds like commitment to me. If he had just been using her for sex, it seems like he would have kicked her to the curb long ago and moved on the next one. I can only assume that he valued her companionship, even if he wasn’t prepared for a marriage-level commitment. Some people who have been divorced shy away from re-marrying, but that doesn’t automatically mean there’s no love in their relationships.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Paul was never married, ergo he could never have been divorced.

    • DearbornImpetuousPoster

      That may be. I was making the point that unwillingness to marry doesn’t automatically mean that there’s no love. People have different reasons for eschewing marriage – they may have seen their parents go through an ugly divorce, they may believe the old adage that marriage is the end of love, they may be bipolar and not want a mate to have to be around them during their depressive periods, etc…the possible reasons are legion.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      I’d be alright with it myself, the guy has a shyyyyyyte ton of tests to pass with me first though before it gets anywhere near the idea of being “serious” lmmfao!

    • VladDracul86

      Personally I would, I had to ask myself this very question. I would talk to her and make sure she really feels ok with it. Tell her how it’s a rarity for it to work out but to let her know that. But at the same time, she must understand it’s a rarity for things to work out between her and someone who is her age too. Young males only want one thing most the time. If someone is well established, isn’t a violent criminal and has a desire to truly make her happy over all? I have no issues with it. The moment he screws up? Then he has my guns and strength to deal with just like any male her age would deal with.

    • SIMPKINS

      IF IT WAS SOMEONE LIKE PAUL WALKER, ABSOLUTELY, WHO WOULDNT WANT AN AMAZING GUY LIKE THAT DATING THEIR DAUGHTER…

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      If she was sixteen at the time — me. I wouldn’t.

    • SIMPKINS

      well good for u..pat urself on the back

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      I think you’d have to be in said situation to really be able to say that one for sure. LMAO!

    • Ick

      A father who knew damn well the man had no marrying intentions and was a commitment phobe who only wanted to bang someone younger and tighter all over the body for awhile until someone new caught his eye.

    • Alex Harman

      I’d rather she dated an older man who treated her well than a boy her own age who treated her badly.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      Well, I suppose that’s something you’d want to ask a 50+ year old with a 21/22/23 year old married to someone his age (or older) like Hugh Hefner, I mean hell if those men can be interviewed and not hold even the SLIGHTLY MOST REMOTE objection at all…. it must make you wonder, right? lmao! Yes sure, bring up that they’re legal age, ok, but getting past that. Mentally. Come on now! LOL! But while on the subject of 16, it’d be a great idea to get rid of shows like 16 and Pregnant, and teen mom lmmfao! That shyte certainly encourages the most stupid of the young ladies out there to think they can get famous from being as such. While the more well intellectual of the young adult women know better because their families are actually more involved in their lives hahaha.

    • bevtoastily

      Teenage girls are rarely interested in men in their thirties. This is a myth that socially retarded men came up with to justify preying on dumb teenagers.

    • Alex Harman

      Depends on the man; most men in their thirties are not attractive to most teenaged girls, but Paul Walker is almost certainly an exception. I recall watching the movie The Rock at my college back in 1996; Sean Connery, who was 65 years old when it was filmed, has a line in it where he says “perhaps I’m losing my sex appeal,” to which several of the seventeen-to-twenty-one-year-old women in the audience shouted “No you’re not!”

    • bevtoastily

      Yeah, but Pito is making very broad generalizations, and that’s what I’m responding to. Besides, it doesn’t really matter if she found him attractive. I’m sure he was the one who pursued her because a teenage girl isn’t just gonna “take the bull by the horns” and ask a thirty-something yr old guy out on a date. He should have had enough maturity to seek out an adult woman for an adult relationship.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      Pfft! You’d be surprised how actually now days it is the women taking initiative more so than decade or two before. The idea of “MANLINESS” While still in play is also creeping into them thinking that as a young lady she must have the BEST manliest man out there! Especially if he’s older and well off (Trust me the monetary part still holds to this day lmao! Damn Gold diggers, learning young). If they (walker and the gals) met at a party he may have been at and she was lucky enough to even remotely look older than her actual age and act it? BOOM! He’d of had no idea and by the time he’d of found out? One of two things would’ve occurred. EITHER, OOPS Sex already happened, buuuuut he’s kind of stuck with her until she says otherwise cause of “LAWS” perhaps…. OR!!!!! He actually did genuinely fall for her and thought it was irrational but he wanted to see where it went and the 7 years of being with her proved it turned out to be a hell of a lot more.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      Hell I’m a straight guy and that man will never lose sex appeal in that movie, granted that movie was also homage to James Bond! :-P Not many caught onto that! Hahahaha!

    • Elizabeth Wordsly

      Men or Women who prey on children are disgusting.
      I don’t care where you are from or what your culture believes…doesn’t make it right
      I cant believe people are really trying to justify this smdh

    • Mark Stevens

      He was a good looking man that could have had any woman in the world but I guess it is what it is. http://www.afhi.us is more interesting

    • Esme

      Yet he chose a kid who was in grade school a few years ago and who is very plain looking? What’s wrong with that picture?

    • Alex Harman

      “Very plain-looking?” Say what? Do a Google image search for “Jasmine Pilchard-Gosnell” and eat those words; she might not be quite as stunningly beautiful as Aubrianna Atwell, but she’s still a remarkably attractive young woman.

    • own freedom

      Americans become stupid when it came about age and dating .. … like really who cares ,all of you mind your own fu**ing business

    • Jimmy First

      Too true…

    • MsGV

      ” because no woman their own age will date them..” Not true.

    • she3000

      the only problem with this theory and the current situation is that the individual you are speaking about is Paul Walker. He had plenty of women his age who would date him and sex was definitely the least of his worries. HE IS PAUL WALKER. So I don’t think your theory fits his case maybe he had some other psychological issues that made him think it was okay to date someone more than half his age.

    • Esme

      It doesn’t matter how good, looking you are or how famous, if you are a weird, immature idiot, people can smell that a mile off. He probably had some kind of innate insecurity that made him fear he could not establish long-term relationships with anyone older than jailbait age. If he were 40 and she 22, it wouldn’t be an issue. But he was really pushing the envelope.

    • CanadianArcadian

      To be fair to Paul, he has dated a fair number of women (and even had a child with Rebecca Mcbrain) who were not teenagers including Denise Richards, Christina Milian, Jamie King, and Aubrianna Atwell (among others).

      Who’s to say he just didn’t have much in common with women his age? A big reason he split from Mcbrain was that he didn’t feel ready to be a father when his daughter was born.

      What if Paul was just a lot younger mentally and connected more with younger women? Who is anyone to judge that?

    • Earl Bradley

      You do know that he meet Aubrianna Atwell when she was 16 and he was 28. I don’t know what the extent of their relationship was when he first meet her or when they started dating.

      According to Paul, the reason he could not marry Mcbrian was that he was having sex with her friends.

      The law judges, the age of consent is 18 in California.

    • Seth

      uhh yes you are right, those are often reasons why older men date girls way younger. I agree. And i’m also not defending Paul Walker but we have to remember….He’s F****** PAUL freakin Walker. I really doubt he had any problems getting sex. He was a super star and icy cool.
      He probably just liked her for who she was. She was definitely too young, i’m not saying she wasn’t. I’m just saying your reasons you listed for him being with her definitely didn’t apply to Paul Walker. I don’t think he was a sicko, I just think he liked a girl who was younger than him. And that its none of our f***** business

    • Ann Wright

      Rapists and child molester don’t target children b/c they can not gain consent from an adult. They do it b/c they want to rape: women, children, the elderly, animals, etc.

    • Ann Wright

      Some pedophiles fall in love with the child victim. And continue to love the child as they age well into adulthood. That doesn’t mean they aren’t pedophiles. Why? B/c they fell in love with a child. That is a pedophile.

    • Ted Cruz

      Being into a 16 year old does not make someone a pedophile. It’s a bit odd in this day & age, but not at all in the same category as going after a 10 year old or something.

    • Ann Wright

      Well, maybe you are right, and I’m just not understanding. Please explain it to me. Because the major difference is height in my mind.

    • CanadianArcadian

      Men are naturally sexually attracted to the young female form, specifically, men are most sexually attracted (again, naturally, as in, it is in our nature) to young females who have experienced puberty but aren’t yet fully reproductively mature (usually between ages 16-19).

      A man SHOULD be sexually attracted to females 16 and older (on average). To act on that sexual attraction is something different altogether, but no man should be shamed for experiencing very natural arousal in the company of sexually attractive teenage females.

    • Ann Wright

      You have given me something to think about. Ok. Let me offer this apology. I was not trying to shame a man for being aroused by or being sexual attracted to a 16. I was trying to shame Paul Walker (Jerry Seinfeld, R. Kelly, Doug Hutshison, etc) for acting on that attraction.

    • Jess Jack

      Yeah, and don’t forget woody Allen

    • Alex Harman

      Woody and Soon-yi have been together for twenty years, and married for fifteen. She was nineteen when the relationship began, making her legally an adult anywhere in the world. How old do they have to be, how long does the relationship have to last, before it’s acceptable to you?

    • Jess Jack

      I should’ve got my facts straight before making that comment. For some reason, I thought that all of the notoriety was due to her being so young. I mean. in the context of being a minor kind of young. It probably had something to do with him breaking up with Mia Farrow. Wasn’t Soon-Yi one of their adopted children?

    • Alex Harman

      Soon-yi was the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow and her second husband, André Previn. Both she and Allen deny that they ever had anything resembling a father-daughter relationship during the time Allen and Farrow were partners, after Farrow’s divorce from André Previn.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      SEINFELD? REALLY? HE DID?? NOW I HAVE TO LOOK THIS UP! LOL!!!! But I heard about R. Kelly? Didn’t he get off on a technicality which is actually funny as hell? I’m pretty sure I’m remembering it right that she wasn’t in school at the time, she made the decision to skip school and go to the mall where he ended up hitting on her? I think that’s the one I heard about! HAHAHA! Hey if you’re of age to be charged as an adult, I think it’s safe to say it’s ok now days. Let the REAL pedophile offenders be taken out. The others, merely coached away from going after the younger ones until society evolves just a tad more to make it ok haha.

    • Daddynate

      This is true, I have friends (30+ yrs old) that like younger women (not 16, but they’ll do 18 all day). It’s because by the time most women are 25+ and still single have been around alot and are hard to please because they’ve seen everything and usually come with kids. 18-25 year old women usually still have a girlish figure with less fat and have more sexual energy and less sexual wear and tear. But going to the high schools is scumbag, at least let them get to college age, 16 is still such a child even when they think they’re mature, they really are not, they just don’t have the experiences.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      …sexual wear and tear? What are we, suitcases?

    • Jess Jack

      I thought that “sexual wear and tear” comment was a little offensive. And then what is this thing about having less fat and more sexual energy. Don’t men think that women over the age of 25,look at the figures of middle-aged men? And as far as” sexual energy”? Are older men saying that they HAVE it ??

    • Daddynate

      Lol, suitcases, no but I’m just saying the parts are different between a 20 year old who’s had 5 partners, and a 32 year old who’s been with 100s, because they dated and partied through their 20s and now at 30 something want to settle down. You’d have to have a penis to understand.

    • youretoofunny

      Im going to be that guy that disagrees with you on that. I said it above, but you really need to find a better woman to be partners with if shes 32 and has had 100′s of partners. And a STD check while you are at it. It ends up feeling the same.

    • Daddynate

      Nope, I’m married, I’m trying to clean up locker room talk from guys that are single, in attempt to provide perspective, obviously women just don’t get what guys think or talk about, since so many of you are offended. I apologize if most single women I know in their 30s have dated a few too many guys and it shows. I’m 36 and my wife is 30, we married when she was 25 and dated from the time she was 21, so she never got to be a 30+ single lady who dated and clubbed themselves to ruin, and I love that. So if you’re 35 never been married and have a hard time remembering who you dated (screwed) a year ago, don’t get mad at me for being truthful.

    • Earl Bradley

      Are you just ***ing with us on here, you can’t be serious??

    • Alex Harman

      Actually, I think you have to be a dick to understand where you’re coming from.

    • bevtoastily

      Well, you’re wrong. Either you’re imagining things, or you’re not as experienced as you’re pretending to be. Normal sexual activity can not permanently change the elasticity of a vagina. Aging can, and childbirth especially can, but having sex can’t. Your own logic doesn’t even make sense; if sexual intercourse really could damage a vagina, then it would be about the amount of sex that somebody has, not the amount of partners she’s had, or what age she is. Think about it. Btw, almost nobody has “100s” of sexual partners, no matter what age.

    • Alex Harman

      I’d guess that the number of women alive who are not prostitutes or porn actresses who have had hundreds of sexual partners by the age of 32 well under 0.01% of the population overall; Daddynate is talking out of his ass here.

    • bevtoastily

      Probably the only sexual experience he’s ever had is with porn. Seriously.

    • Daddynate

      Nope, I’m married and we have great sex. Before I was married I did a few women like what I describe and there is a physical difference between a very experienced 30+ woman and an inexperienced 20 year old, simple logic and yes in very vulgar terms, your d!ck can tell the difference also.

    • Earl Bradley

      Sex with a very experienced 30+ yo woman would actually be more enjoyable than with an inexperienced 20 yo, unless of course all you care about is getting yours.

    • Daddynate

      Who the hell has sex to not get theirs? Sex requires another person so technically we BOTH get ours. You can go be notch 150 on some worn out woman bedpost if that’s what you like. Like I said, I’m married, but I see my wife’s friends that aren’t and they do get very pitiful the older they get.

    • bevtoastily

      And you’re still wrong. Sexual intercourse doesn’t change the functioning of a woman’s vagina. LIKE I SAID, AGE and CHILDBIRTH can change the elasticity. This is a fucking medical fact and not just my opinion. If you really think that normal sexual intercourse can “wear” on a vagina, back it up with some scientific sources.

    • papadoc

      Umm, ya it can. The example I will use is I dated a chick long distance, We would hook up like crazy obviously when she would get home after a couple of months. I could tell the point in the school year when she got a vibrator and the time when she was working out more. It fluctuates alot – guys just dont say anything.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      How kind of you.

    • youretoofunny

      Tore up from the floor up. Although ive never understood the idea of women being loose or tight. Vaginas conform to the penis, so unless you care solely about the first 15 seconds it ends up feeling the same.

    • Jess Jack

      I had mentioned the subject of this article to my husband and his reply in so many words,leaned towards the physical condition of the vagina BEING the reason that men would date a teenager. I am around Mr. Walker’s age and I just can’t understand the attraction to a teenager. How can I relate to skateboarding or trying to save up for a car or being grounded? When I was 16, I thought that my friend’s dads and other men their age, were out of touch and not people that I could relate to.My vision of an older man, back then, was a frat guy.My main goal was turning 18 or 21.

    • Robin

      The physical condition of the vagina…Hmm. Anyway we could get a clarification on that one?

    • Jess Jack

      I have thought of that remark “physical condition of the vagina” and want to apologize for it. That statement was a little too graphic. I just didn’t want to use the words that my husband used regarding this subject: older man, younger woman. But really…..16? Why did her parents allow this? Were her parents star-struck or something?

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      Well, like on Californication they talked about Vaginal Rejuvenation… so there is that! LMMFAO!!!!

    • Teal-Rose Jarid Jaques

      I can speak to that not being true, it can conform to a certain level, but loose and tight still exist.

    • Jimmy First

      I am not sure how “sexual” applies to suitcase… It is gross!

    • Jess Jack

      Your comment about sexual “wear and tear” and your issues about the figures of women who are 25+ was a little offensive. Us 25+ women look at you older men’s figures too. But I agree with you on one point: my daughter’s 16 too and I wouldn’t allow her to date someone that was Mr. Walker’s age. Not even 18. My daughter is very pretty and I get a little offended when I see older men even turn their heads to look at her.

    • Daddynate

      Sorry to offend, just being honest that it is a total different feeling being with a 20 year old with less miles, than it is with a 35 year old who’s been with hundreds of guys is all I’m saying.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Ah yes, because women are like cars. Thank you for clarifying.

    • Daddynate

      This is the reason the two sexes don’t understand one another, I’m using a real world analogy, not saying women are objects. I love women more than anything and the good ones are the closest thing to heaven on earth, I am in no way a woman basher, it’s just some things are hard to describe without using comparisons.

    • Lawlita

      You’re the one misunderstanding if you think the concept of an analogy is lost on the mod. What you’re saying is still offensive because it’s legitimizing the idea that it is acceptable to value women according to the “depreciation” of their physical parts due to enjoying sexual relationships. And in the context of what this article is talking about, it kinda sounds like you are justifying reducing what should be a complex and 2-way experience of a human relationship into an optimization problem of how much can I get for giving how little? How tight can her body be without the inconvenience of knowing what she likes ruining the experience for me? And don’t even get me started on your sweeping generalizations about women over 25. It seems unintentional, but you have to realize that you might have offended someone without realizing it not because they’re somehow wrong about their own feelings, but maybe because you can’t interpret what you said as someone with a different set of experiences–like those described in the article.

    • Jimmy First

      More like horses really…

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      How do you mean?

    • bevtoastily

      Just admit that you’re making things up.

    • Jess Jack

      What about a guy, who has had hundreds of sexual partners. Oh wait, that has to do with the double standard and that is a WHOLE different subject entirely.

    • Earl Bradley

      Wow, I’m actually embarrassed as a man reading your comments, “less sexual wear and tear”, “they’ll do 18 all day”. If your friends are in their 30s and having sex with an 18 year old, you need some new friends.

    • Name

      Canadian: well if what you say is correct, the MAN would be getting sexually attracted to almost ALL 16-19 yr olds and not just the one. Shamed? no. Acting on it: yes, we have laws. A watchful parent would not allow their 16 yr. old daughter to date such an older man.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      That’s why it’s become entertainment for me and the guys anytime we hang out somewhere and spot someone that might be questionable, we use the term WRIST BANDS because it denotes that ALL underage gals should be wearing Wrist bands that can’t come off till they hit 18 hahaha! And trust me, there are some absolutely beautiful 16 year olds out there that look like they’re in their 20′s which RUINS it for a great deal of guys out there. I blame the shit they put in our food hahaha.

    • Jade

      Pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children. A 16 year old is pubescent.

    • kvoorhies

      ….a 16 year old is an adolescent, not prepubescent. They have gone through puberty therefor the men who are attracted to them are not pedophiles. Now, that being said, they are what are known as hebephiles. I’m not saying I agree with men like Paul Walker, but don’t classify them in the pedophile category when they clearly are not.

    • Ann Wright

      Thank you. I just learned a new term hebephile: someone who is sexually attracted to 11-14. Great I feel much better that a 16 yr old is “dating” a 36 yr man. awesome

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Ephebophile is the term for 15-19, in case that information is useful as well.

    • Ann Wright

      Thank you. It is useful.

    • ZX_Maniac_86

      That’s a bit weird of a definition if ya ask me, since the last two years are technically age of majority. Dear lord help those if they start using all these other terms and getting ruined by them, especially for the “Ephebophile” term.

    • kvoorhies

      ….a 16 year old is an adolescent, not prepubescent. They have gone through puberty therefor the men who are attracted to them are not pedophiles. Now, that being said, they are what are known as hebephiles. I’m not saying I agree with men like Paul Walker, but don’t classify them in the pedophile category when they clearly are not.

    • Mildred Adolphus

      Legal definition? Some one may be prepubescent at 16 years of age. At any rate the emotional age is far from being mature. I married at seventeen, an “old soul.” I cannot speak to the wisdom of knowing something of life before you give your life into someone else’s hands.

    • Sean Hannity

      Word around the campfire was that even while he was ‘in a relationship’ with the kids he was still banging every skirt he came across.

    • Ozymandias

      As long as she was above the age of consent in her State then she is a consenting “adult” and it is between them and yeah the girls parents.

    • Jess

      So you would allow your 16 year old daughter to date a 33 year old? If you lived in california and the legal age of consent is 16?

    • bob

      Getting all vulgar, defending Paul online with obscenity, adoring him as an idol we too must adore, no matter what he does, is what so-called “fanboys” typically do. And celebs typically fence their fans out of their lives and homes for waging virtual jihad in their names online

    • DWGC

      There’s nothing wrong with a man that doesn’t want to date a baggage carrying woman his own age – why does she need a license when I have one – why does she need money when I take care of her – there’s no manipulation – if anyone is being manipulated it’s the man being driven crazy by this cute lil vivacious thing buzzing around him – the only reason a man won’t date a younger woman is because he can’t – and if an older woman doesn’t want me – who cares – if you can do 30′s why mess with 40 – if you can do 20′s why mess with 30 – do you see where this goes – younger women find older men desirable and distinguished – older men find younger women to be a prize – candy for the arm so to speak – so believe me it gives both parties confidence – I would never date a woman my own age – the perfect formula is the man’s age divided in half plus 7

    • VladDracul86

      You know I couldn’t have said that better myself. And that is the second time I’ve heard that formula in the last year lmao!

    • Lydian DeVere Yard

      Wow, I feel sorry for anyone who dates you. Unless you’re being ironic. You sound like you’d be a nightmare. Why does she need money if you can take care of her? Why does she need a license? Because if she doesn’t that gives you control over her and her mobility, doesn’t it? She can’t leave you if she doesn’t make her own money. Eventually she’ll get older and carry baggage, some of that being from you. Will you just trade her in for a younger, newer model?

      Women and girls aren’t objects or prizes, jackass, we’re human beings, deserving of the same rights and considerations as men.

    • Edward Chamberlin

      Yeah, that was one fucked-up comment, if I’ve ever seen one! Can’t tell if DWGC is being serious or not. The Internet brings out some really disgusting guys. And I wouldn’t even call myself a feminist or anything, but the whole “manosphere” culture of men being revolting online has gone too far.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      I would call myself a feminist, and I’m offended, but also pretty sure he’s just trolling.

    • Edward Chamberlin

      I can never tell how much of the manosphere is trolling or not. The Internet can be a very annoying place!

    • skunkworks

      Wow – if that is really your picture, you are HOT! Want to date and older man??

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      What an enticing offer.

    • Lydian DeVere Yard

      Thanks, Edward. Normal men don’t date teenage girls. I said above I was acquainted with two men who were jailed as a result of their sexual involvement with their students. (Not me.) Men I know well feel pervy and gross when they experience a fleeting attraction to teenage girls, and they don’t pursue them. I have myself seen a young man or two that is very attractive, but I don’t go for them, because it’s inappropriate (also I’m married). The guy above sounds like he needs to be worshiped in order to feel validated.

    • Edward Chamberlin

      I agree with your comments. :)

    • Lydian DeVere Yard

      Thanks. I’m writing all over this thing, only because I feel very strongly about the well being of women and girls. There are decent men out there who can control themselves, and they all should be expected to. There is a myth that men can’t be expected to control their urges and desires and that excuse is used to shrug off sexual assault. It’s bullshit.

      There is such a cavalier attitude toward this that it is disturbing. Being a stage performer myself, I know that artists and performers, even and especially the famous ones, can be incredibly insecure.A male celebrity may be insecure about himself and looks for validation in a young girl who will idolize him. But then he may become controlling. Young female stars might get involved with older men, b/c at a young age, they’re making more money than their parents do, and they feel like grownups. The ones that grow up too fast tend to crash and burn. This is true for male and female child stars, and there are too many examples to cite of child stars who got screwed up.

      Girls used to get married much younger, say, back in the Middle Ages and beyond because life expectancy was MUCH shorter than it is today, and childhood and daughters weren’t as valued. The longer they stayed in the household, the more financial burden they were. Sons could go out and earn a living, daughters could not, usually.

      Now, women have way more opportunities than ever, but residual cultural attitudes still linger. Women still want to be considered pretty and desirable, and some will cling to a man no matter what, b/c if they don’t have a man in their lives, then their lives mean nothing.

    • Bill

      You’re right, normal men don’t date much younger women – because they can’t. Exceptional men date younger women – because they can.

    • Edward Chamberlin

      I think normal men don’t date much younger women, because it’s weird, probably unsatisfying, and abusive, not because they can’t.

    • Bill

      The amount of agency you remove from women in these comments is stunning.

    • Edward Chamberlin

      I will be honest. I don’t understand what this comment means.

    • Lee-Alverseo Jackson

      i’ve dated a 16 year old when i was 26. i didn’t seek out a 16 year old, we just kinda clicked.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      And where did you casually meet this teenager, if I might ask?

    • Lee-Alverseo Jackson

      at a cyber cafe/ coffee joint where hipster went before hipsters became i thing. she was level headed and strict. she actually changed me for the better before leaving me for college.

    • CanadianArcadian

      Being jailed over sexual involvement with students is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than what is being discussed here. Teachers are in a direct position of authority over their students and involving themselves sexually with those students is an abuse of institutionalized power. Paul Walker most certainly did not abuse a position of authority (anyone who thinks an actor/actress has authority over anyone else needs to start thinking more critically) to date younger women.

      You are not a man, you have literally no idea what being a man is like, much less what is normal for men. You’re a bigot and a sexist for the comment, “Normal men don’t date teenage girls.”

      You are not a man, you’ve never been inside a man’s head, you’ve never experienced life from a man’s perspective. Don’t you dare begin to think you have any say as to what is “normal” or should be “expected” from men. The second you, as a female, start making comments as to what men “should” be doing, you become a bigot. It is not for you to decide what is “normal, right, or proper” for men.

    • Lydian DeVere Yard

      Clearly l have upset you with my statement that ‘normal men don’t date teenage girls”. I do sincerely apologize, and there’s no sarcasm in that statement. When I read this post: http://www.mommyish.com/2013/12/05/adult-men-dating-teenage-girls /I felt that a man over the age of 22 dating a teenager is very inappropriate. Give it a read and let me know what you think.

      You’re right. I don’t know what it’s like to be a man, and “normal” is sometimes very subjective and varies from individual to individual, but I am not a sexist or a bigot. You know nothing about me. I believe in equality, (for people of all genders, religions, races and sexual orientations) and I’m just as concerned for the well being and health of men and boys as I am for women and girls. Admittedly I lean a little toward more concern for the feminine side, because, being a woman, I have read and observed the oppression and abuse of females over history and in today’s society. Also, I have two young daughters.

      While I will readily state that there are thousands upon thousands of decent, caring men in the world, my husband included, there are also abusive, controlling, predatory men in the world, and for too long, it’s been pushed aside as “normal male behavior”. It isn’t. Too many men and boys have been brought up to think aggression, violence and control over people is the way to be a man, and it needs to change for their sake as well as the women in their lives. This video with Jackson Katz, a male feminist is very enlightening: http://www.upworthy.com/a-male-feminists-take-on-crying-pornography-and-miley-cyrus?c=slt1

      Whether Paul Walker was a predator remains to be seen. I find it odd that a 33 year old man would pursue a relationship with a 16 year old. However post-pubescent, a 16 year old (boy or girl) is still technically a child, and in many states (California included) is below the age of consent.

      Sure, girls used to start getting married and having children at that age, back when life expectancy was shorter, and the education of girls wasn’t valued as much. All that was expected of most girls was to get married and have children. That’s changed. Now, we let our children grow up first, get an education, and experience life and set their own goals on their own terms. That’s not true for a lot of kids under the poverty line, but that’s why we’re trying to improve things in that quarter, so that kids don’t have to grow up too fast. All in all, that kind of thing has a damaging effect.

      Are teenagers ready to be parents? I thought we were trying to reduce the teenage pregnancy rate. Are teenagers ready to join the adult world and live on their own, navigating the world as an adult does? In most cases, no.

      Are you comfortable with the idea of a 33 year old man with a 16 year old boy? I’m not talking homosexuality as any kind of problem, I’m talking age. A 33 year old woman with a 16 year old boy? They are still children, and for anyone to want to be in a relationship with someone who is still a child, to me that is suspect.

      As far as an actor being in a position of authority, well, when you have fame, wealth and recognition and worldliness doesn’t that give you an advantage over a person who is still developing physically and mentally? If he was not a wealthy well-known actor, would you think he was kind of creepy for this behavior?

      We are all attracted to youth, but most men I know, (husband included, and I ask about his experience and what he thinks) are discomfited by young girls dressing and acting provocatively because they are just so young. (The song “Better Run Girl, You’re Much Too Young, Girl” is ironically playing in my head right now.)

      I believe all girls should learn their likes and dislikes, learn about sex and own their own sexuality, and express it how they like, but also be careful not to devalue themselves as people, and tie up their self-worth in their desirability.

      To me, in my own opinion, one of the reasons a man might go for a young girl (whether he is conscious of it or not) is because he may not likely find a woman his own age who would look up to and be molded by him into the partner he wants. Perhaps some men lament that women no longer need to depend on men for their survival. They want to be worshiped and feel entitled to have someone to cater to their every need unquestioningly. This can lead to abusive and controlling behavior.

      That’s one angle, and I’m not saying that it’s the case for every relationship with an age discrepancy, but I question whether a romantic relationship between a 33 year old and a 16 year old can be a balanced and healthy relationship. That’s what I meant.

    • CanadianArcadian

      Wow, that was a post and a half! Obviously I cannot comment on everything you put forth, I’ll stick to what’s relevant to the situation at hand.

      I do not think the article you linked adds anything to our current conversation. All I saw was anecdotal evidence that young girls are sexually active and young boys have no idea how to approach them, so the young girls seek out older men to give them attention and up their self-esteem. The author (a female) goes on to say that 16 year old girls can go ahead and have sex, just not with anyone older than their “age group” which (the author admits) is not an exciting prospect because these “boys her age are loud and boring and don’t even know how to talk to a girl.” She also says that even though her mother had no possible way to stop her from dating older men, she would absolutely figure out how to prevent her own daughter from doing just what she did (how exactly?). So, what’s the real message here? It’s so confusing and convoluted I can’t even begin to tell.

      It also doesn’t address the nature surrounding sexual attraction at all. Men are attracted to female features that indicate near maximum fertility. The most “near fertile” women based on appearance tend to be teenage girls (most specifically, girls age 16-19). This is normal, natural male physiology. Sexual attraction is not based in rationality or higher thought functions. It is a biological reaction based on given stimuli, which for men, is mostly visual. Men who claim to not be sexually attracted to sexually attractive teenagers are not the norm. I am sorry that my biology dictates that I get aroused when presented with a picture of an 18 or 19 year old Miley Cyrus. Remember how many were gushing when the Olsen twins turned 18? Everyone needs to understand that it is NORMAL for men to be attracted to women at this stage of bodily maturity.

      I also don’t think that men have by and large been taught that being aggressive, violent, and controlling is akin to manliness. I certainly know that I was not raised with that mentality as a millenial. In fact, I was raised on the opposite, that it is the kindness, the caring, the deferment to the needs of women that was what made me a man. In fact, I think nowadays, men and boys are marginalized immensely, taught that everything natural about them is wrong and evil, and that they are the oppressors of people (especially women and ESPECIALLY if you are a white, straight male) everywhere and only by neglecting any and all of their own societally created, discriminatory problems can they be saved. Oh and if that doesn’t work, just tell them to, “Man up!” (which is even funnier because no one knows how to do that anymore).

      Also, regarding teens and pregnancy, I agree with you that I don’t think teenagers should be having children in most circumstances. Actually, I think if a 16 year old were pregnant, the BEST situation would be to be pregnant by someone with the financial means to take care of the child, which is much more likely in a 33 year old man than a fellow 16 year old boy. So, actually, I disagree with a couple having a child if they cannot provide for it, not specifically teenage parents. It is much, much, much more damaging for the child to be brought into an environment in which it cannot hope to thrive than for that child to know one of its parents was a teenager at the time of birth. Also, your assumption here is that there was definitely sex going on between Paul Walker at 33 and Jasmine at 16, which we don’t know, so it can’t be assumed here.

      Honestly, a 33 year old anyone with a 16 year old anyone does not bother me in the slightest. It just doesn’t. Four of my female cousins who are teenagers are dating guys that range from 26-29 and it doesn’t faze me at all. The reason it doesn’t? Each of these 26-29 year old men are the same “mental age” as each of my cousins. They are simply a bit younger at heart (while my cousins are older at heart) to turn a phrase.

      I specifically stated the teacher is in a position of DIRECT authority, meaning the student has to answer to the teacher or face potential disciplinary action. THIS is institutionalized power and THIS is what is abusive. If some girl or guy wants to think that fame + money = authority then go right ahead, but that doesn’t make it true. Bill Gates is famous and wealthy, does that mean he can throw me in jail if I don’t buy a Microsoft Xbox One? Of course not, nor does his fame and money entice me to want to sleep with him. Actors/Actresses are not in a position of DIRECT authority over anyone. Sure you can be attracted to the fame and money, but you don’t have to act on it, just like a man can be attracted to a 16 year old and not act on that attraction.

      Regarding you and your husbands conversation, do you not find these young women dressing and acting provocatively as equally disdainful as the older men attracted to younger women? Maybe not equally, but at the very least, you have to agree that it is inappropriate for these young women to be actively courting older men. You can’t hold one half of the population accountable and remove agency from the other half, it takes two to tango as they say.

      The control point you make regarding a man molding his partner could be true. Both men and women actively try to control their relationships. How often have you seen the woman dating what appears to be a total scumbag only for her to say, “If only I could fix this one thing about him, everything would be great!” The problem I have with this, is that it involves one partner who is the dominant and one who is the subservient, not two equal partners on the same plane. No one should ever be trying to “mold” their partner into what they desire. This shows a lack of grounding in reality, respect for other people, and understanding of the concept of romantic love, which for me, are the three most important things in a healthy relationship.

      On average, one may be able to make the claim that a 33 year old should not be dating a 16 year old, but each relationship and each person is unique. One cannot judge individual, unique relationships with ideas based in sweeping generalizations (no matter how true those generalizations may be),

      I appreciate your level-headedness on the matter (no sarcasm). I apologize if I get heated. I, like you, have strong feelings on the matter because I have a few family members in a similar situation. I cannot just denounce this type of “age gap” in relationships because I don’t see the same issues, and I have a few first hand examples to draw from.

    • elvira walker

      I doubt very seriously if Paul Walker had a problem getting women to date him. Some sixteen year olds are like twenty-five year olds. Because she was sixteen does not mean she was not mature. Stop grouping all young women alike. Plus, it’s none of your business who he dated. Why are you people trying to degrade a dead person.

    • DearbornImpetuousPoster

      Ted, be honest – how many men want to date women “their own age”? I’m in my 30s, and there are a lot of very nice women around my age – but they’re already married. The women my age who are still single usually have rotten personalities – that’s why they’re still single! The nicest women get married young but because the guys who date them know what they have and hold on tight. If you’re a guy in your 30s and want someone really nice, you have to go much younger or find a widow. 20-somethings are more physically attractive, too, but that’s secondary. (It is a nice bonus, however.)

    • Hibernia86

      Or maybe it is just because they are attracted to women who are of that age. You shouldn’t assume that it is just to manipulate.

    • Tracheal

      “Does no one find it at least odd that a 33 year old man would want to have a relationship with a 16 year old girl?”

      Not as long as Kate Winslet gets away with calling the rape of a 15 year old boy by a filthy older female mass murderer no less (in The Reader) ‘true love between equal partners’…and is backed by her twisted feminist sisters. We need one standard for statutory rape. Women who commit statutory (or adult) rape also need to serve the same time as do men.

    • Kelly

      I don’t back that. I want female predators in prison too.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Absolutely, it goes both ways.

    • FG

      this is what the manosphere covers. Because feminists are too selfish to cover how males can be victims of discrimination by females.

    • Zarfy

      Which is no time at all.

      Consent is consent is consent. The law has no right to tell a 15 year old, who would no doubt be tried as an ADULT for murder, arson, and any number of other crimes, that he or she cannot make decisions about his or her own body. They may grow up to regret it if they consent, perhaps. Just as young people always have regrets. No law is necessary, and it is an egregious violation of the right to privacy found in our Constitution

    • NAR

      Dude you are clearly a huge creep. How many times have you posted? Your basic premise is children make choices that affect their lives. And if someone(obviously something you do) gets them, or tricks them to make a choice that later affects their life, its their own fault cause they consented.

      this is why children cant vote, or sign away their lives in contracts.
      Idiot creep.
      THE LAW states they are not mature enough to make these decisions for themselves.

    • Inclement Weather

      THE LAW is arbitrary and has fluctuated throughout history. The law of NATURE is what really matters. And when you’ve hit puberty, you are an adult. The rest is just societal BS.

    • GARYB

      i WANT TO SEE IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY WHEN YOUR 11-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER COMES OME PREGNANT

    • Inclement Weather

      That may not even be possible you understand. Unless she were forcibly raped my daughter would never come home pregnant. This fact has less to do with noise and uproar over age of consent laws, and more to do with good parenting.

    • egm80

      This sounds like something either a pedophile or a 14 year old would say. Anyone outside of that group of people looks at a 14 year old and sees a baby.

    • VladDracul86

      I know some that may see a 14 y/o as a baby… but they also agree with the fact that 13 should be age of adulthood bud. As we all get older we always tend to see someone much younger than us, legal or not as a baby. Welcome to the world of how societal bs ruins people. Maturity is the biggest factor. I’m fine with 13 coming back as the age of adulthood. Get those f*ckers back to work so they can stay out of doing criminal activity. Otherwise I want to start seeing parents locked up for raising delinquent children that commit Murder, Arson, Fraud and a number of other crimes that’re against society. It’s their responsibility, time they’re held up to that standard to own up to it.

    • egm80

      Some kids hit puberty at 9, that doesn’t make them adults. If you’re a Neanderthal who lives in the bush, you’re only going to live to 22-25 so for the sake of human survival, physical maturity arrives early. In the real world of modern society, no one is advocating middle schoolers becoming full adults. Please. Their brain development the problem, not their sexual organs.
      Please excuse the brevity of this message, it was sent from a portable device.

    • MsGV

      Exactly. Men are hating because he was such “a good looking boy” he could have had any woman he wanted. And he did. He wanted to be with Jasmine.

    • Gus Mueller

      I would make the sexy time with her!

    • TraceTheBiologist

      No. You need to go back to school and learn some more about biology and the development of the human body and mind. Puberty may mark you as being more ready for sexual reproduction but that does NOT mean you are fully matured – not by a long shot. You are talking about two very different things. As society has changed and childhood lengthened, it has become no longer necessary to survival for teens to begin families and indeed – being still with their parents and in school and floundering about ‘discovering themselves’, they could hardly be seen as ready for adult life yet. On the subject of puberty though – just because a girl may get her first period at 11 does NOT mean her body is actually ready to carry a baby at age 11. Aside from other reasons, she is still growing and probably can’t support a whole other being at the same time – growing takes a LOT of energy (I’m talking ATP in your cells, not a child bouncing on a bed), hence kids and teens needing lots of sleep and always being hungry. Your lack of knowledge is alarmingly evident in your post.

    • VladDracul86

      AGREED!

    • Zarfy

      Laws determine how mature people are? Hmm, that’s an interesting belief. Not true…but interesting.

    • Shenette

      Well, I for one feel like you do. I think it is absolutely ridiculous to say that if a 16 year kills someone that they are “responsible” for their own actions. But if they have sex with a 25 year old, then they are incapable of being responsible. That doesn’t make sense to me at all. I understand that they can’t vote, or drink at 16. 18 year olds can’t drink either, but somehow, they are mature enough to handle being in the service, going to another country and killing people. Also, it sends a horrible message to kids that as long as you are having sex with another 16 year old, everything is a-ok. But if that person is 18, oh, off to jail that person goes. That’s ridiculous. Kids make decisions that affect their lives all the time. All we can do as parents is to guide them in the right direction and hope and pray that they make the right decisions.
      Secondly, every person who dates an underage person is not a pedophile. My daughter is almost 16 and she easily looks like she could be 18 or 19 years old. When an older guy approaches her and thinks that she is 19, he is not a pedophile. He was not looking to date a 16 year old, he was looking at someone that he thought was 18 or 19. Now, if a person specifically seeks out underage teenagers only, then that person is a pedophile. Now, I too, don’t quite understand how a 33 year old would have anything in common with a 16 year old. But I feel that if it is consenual, then it is not criminal. I feel that if a 16 year old is old enough to go to jail for killing someone, they are old enough to make a decision about sex, not saying it is right, but that doesn’t make it criminal. There are lots of laws on the books that are dumb. For one, many states still have sodomy against the law. Even, if it is performed by married couple, it is still against the law. So, just because something is a law, doesn’t make it right or just.

    • VladDracul86

      Holy sh*t…. you are my twin from a different area…. THANK YOU FOR SAYING ALL OF THAT! I say go back to 13 being the age of adulthood because it’s the biological age with which it was for CENTURIES to be an adult. And the Constitution is VERY MUCH at stake with this stuff too. If parent’s don’t want their young adult dating a real adult they should’ve taught her better. If parent’s raise a delinquent child that murders, they should get a jail sentence for raising such. And Etc, etc… People these days. i’m glad you exist. My faith in Humanity is restored.

    • turtleposer

      You do realize that was a movie.

    • Michael M

      You people are fucking stupid. If my high school teacher had of slung me some pussy, I would have felt like a stud. It doesn’t damage men the same way…at least not real men. It might mess with the emotions of a sniveling bitch boy, but hes going to run into something anyway that messes him up for life, such as a handshake by a real man. Men can hit it and quit it. girls can’t. There is and should be a double standard.

    • CanadianArcadian

      Hey Michael M, your bigotry is showing.

      I bet if you were 14 and your high school teacher “slung” you “some pussy” and subsequently got pregnant, kept the kid, and demanded child support payments from you, you would be totally OK with that too right?

      Men have emotions and concepts of personal self esteem. Those emotions and feelings can be damaged by someone manipulating them into doing something they are not emotionally, mentally, physically, or financially prepared for. How is that hard to understand?

    • Zarfy

      Yes, I do find it odd and don’t think I would ever want to be in a relationship like that myself.

      I also realize that his personal life is none of my business and that if both he and the young woman he was in a relationship with were okay with it, it’s my job to keep my nose out of his business and worry about my own life. I’m sure people find “odd” things about my lifestyle and your lifestyle, too.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      For someone who realizes that his personal life is ‘none of your business’ in your words, you sure have made a lot of incendiary comments on this post. Own it.

    • Gus Mueller

      Let me clarify: his personal life is none of YOUR business.

    • Zarfy

      Other people’s personal lives are none of my business. However, when someone begins spewing bigotry and condemning others in a way that threatens some of our fundamental freedoms in this country, it not only becomes “My business, but it becomes everybody’ business.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      That’s how I feel about the crime that was committed here.

    • Zarfy

      Except, ya know, for the fact that you’re the one speaking out again freedoms, and PW was, you know, not doing exactly that.

      What law did he break anyways? Even if he did have sex with her, I would argue that Lawrence v Texas (2003) and Griswald v Connecticut (1967?) apply and he is protected by the SUPREME law of the land, the US Constitution. But where’s the evidence that he had sex with her? Where are these “age of consent to date” laws you people keep pretending exist?

      Once again, if you actually cared about “protecting children,” you’d have a huge problem with 17 year olds tried for murder as adults, since they apparently aren’t old enough to “understand their actions at all” yet. But that’s not the case. You don’t care about children. You just want to demonize sex. If you have evidence otherwise, I’d love to hear it. Thank you.

    • Jimmy First

      Do you have a proof that ANY crime was committed?

    • epm54338

      Yes! If the author takes flack for being “judgmental” about Paul Walker, just wait until Muhammad Ali dies and any writer tries to bring to light some of his many flaws. That swine fathered two children out of wedlock with high school girls when he was in his mid-30s. At the time, Ali was married and a father of several children.

    • Man_Of_Sin

      There are 16 year olds that live on their on.

    • Jukesgrrl

      Far fewer than the number of 40 year old men who want to have sex with them.

    • GARYBJ

      THERE ARE 11-YEAR-OLDS LIVING IN THE STREET….THAT MAKES IT OK TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM?

    • Man_Of_Sin

      Living on the street like this?

    • Thorvington Finglethorpe

      I sure do… I’m 38, and I can barely stand women who are 30… The idea of dealing with a jabbering incomprehensible 16-year-old sounds like a nightmare.

    • tankeh

      I think the real problem is that women of all ages find you disgusting

    • Ozymandias

      Hahaha

    • bob

      You’re “thinking” thats your problem.

    • Caroline Marks

      I agree. I could not imagine what we would have to talk about.
      What would you have in common? I do on occasion meet a young person that is exceptionally mature. I describe them as old souls
      in a young body.

    • PS2 was/is AMAZING,CLASSIC

      No, I don’t think that’s maturity…I know people who describe me that way , sometimes, but it’s a fact that I’m immature in the sense of mental development as I’ve got Asperger’s…Just ’cause I’m pedantic and I like talking bio or philosophy or computers or the meaning of life or something…

    • Alex

      I don’t think Aspergers stunts mental development at all, and it’s not fair to the rest of us to suggest that at all.

    • Russell James

      He didn’t say anything about it stunting mental development. He said, “in the sense of mental development”, he was just stating that people with Asperger’s, their brain develops differently.

    • sanlar914msn.com

      Can’t talk to the olderones either. To busy with what I call girl , friends but lets not get into that!

    • frenchie

      Agreed, the older women get. The more annoying and demanding they get. Best to snag them young before they start riding around on the “American Cock Carousel”.

    • drmorb .

      Beauty school drop out, go back to high school.

    • Kelly Bocast

      You need to figure it out before you knock it before you try it.

    • TinfoilCap

      I really hope you’re joking. Although, I have a terrible feeling you aren’t from the “American Cock Carousel” comment. Maybe you are just too immature to deal with a woman of substance and intelligence.

    • sanlar914msn.com

      Maybe he was better than her HS friends

    • YourBaldAssMom

      Paul knew that you older hags have HPV, so in order to avoid that he has to persue somone brand new. No one over the age of 26 can be administered the hpv shot, so any girl above the age of 26 is potentially nasty and we all know how you thirsty women will lie to keep a clean handsome fellow. Trust me im 23 and i steer clear of the nasty generation before me. For those of you thinking about your last “basic” 6 std test, there are 100 variations of HPV, from odd rashes, to weird bumps and who knows what. Deal with the truth you old nasty farts, young=clean, old=nasty

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      The phrase ‘trust me, I’m 23′ is the best/worst thing I’ve heard all day.

    • YourBaldAssMom

      i know u feel some type of way, hold this dislike.

    • GoldenRimz

      I think the logic of ‘I was dumb at 16 so she must be too’ is the best/worst thing I’ve read all day.

    • angelia

      Alexis, I share your pain. At 16, I dated a 26 yr old man for 4 years. It changed everything about who I became. PS he was also married for 2 of those years. I agree with you whole heartedly. At 16, I was awkward and lonely. He knew what to say and do to get me As I grew up and went to college, he no longer wanted me! Hang in there and know this: I was 37 when I finally met my wonderful husband and we have been together for 11 years. He NEVER makes me feel less than, ever!! Wait for it. As they say, when I wasn’t looking, there he was! A

    • TiredODaBullShytte

      Hmmm…..wonder where all of those women got the HPV from…..?

    • TiredODaBullShytte

      Is there an AIDS or Chlamydia shot yet…..lol!

    • drmorb .

      100+ strains, why can’t anyone over 26 get gardisil etc, will they explode?

    • Kelly Bocast

      HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT! DO NOT LET THE DOOR WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Kelly Bocast

      YOU ARE REALLY A SMART PERSON TO BE AROUND.YOU MUST BE A SKANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • TinfoilCap

      You are about a dumb a$$. I was going to go on, but I am truly left speechless by your stupidity.

    • pito

      Do not generalize. Remember they remained together till his death, so any type of short-term adventure is ruled out. Maybe you had a lifestyle totally different and your lifestyle seems tobe the norm these days. Just because you are an average dumb sixteen, don’t underestimate others OK?:-)
      I started a full-time job when I was sixteen and I was feeding my family while my classmates were busy getting tattoos and drinking like a bunch of imbeciles. No wonder we have so many people with no purpose in life, psychos in America shooting people, drinking, using drugs. There are lot of lost people out there who are immature and have no purpose in life when they are sixteens and beyond. Maybe this girl Paul dated was a smart girl – smarter than you and most girls these days – and who knows he even respected her age and waited to become more intimate when she was 18? The fact they remained in a relationship is enough to prove he was a very nice guy and had no short-term. RIP Paul and congrats for his girlfriend enjoy time with such philanthropic and genuine individual.

    • Jukesgrrl

      They “remained together until his death.” But the FIRST underage girl he had a relationship with was replaced by this one. It seems pretty likely this one would eventually have had to go, too. He was fixated on youth. All women eventually grow up.

    • Alex Harman

      Funny how that first one who was “replaced” still considered Walker her “best friend” and was devastated by his death, though. Almost like they’d both simply moved on in their lives, rather then him dumping her for a younger girl, isn’t it?

    • Earl Bradley

      Maybe he stayed close to her because he didn’t want her to talk about their relationship, such as them having a sexual relationship when she was only 16. It is quite possible that both of his relationships involving 16 year old girls when he was an adult were non-sexual.

    • Alex Harman

      Maybe, but that wouldn’t explain why she remained friends with him. And you’re right that we don’t actually know whether he had sex with either Audrianna or Jasmine before they turned eighteen. Audrianna did say in the Las Vegas Sun article that they were friends first, and their friendship eventually developed into an “on again off again” romantic relationship, during part of which they lived together; she didn’t specify the timeline of that relationship.

    • Earl Bradley

      Or maybe she wasn’t a jilted lover, maybe they both realized that is wasn’t going to workout at that time but enjoyed spending time together, I don’t know, nobody does except those that were involved.

      Personally, I just don’t know how or why he would befriend these young girls in the first place. Too me it is weird, you could basically date anyone you wanted, and you decide to date someone that is a teenager. Even if it wasn’t sexual, dating a teenager, whether it is 16 or 19, and you are in your 30s, is just weird, in my opinion.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      But didn’t you just say that most of your classmates were imbeciles — out drinking and getting tattoos? And that YOU were the exception for being mature? Why would Paul want to even get involved with a guessing game like that?

      And can you prove that she was supporting her family? Or mature? Or smarter than the average girl her age? I’m guessing not.

    • Miss Y

      Good catch!

    • JohnHousecat

      Except you’re assuming that it WAS a “guessing game” for him. You’ve proven that you know 0 about this girl, OR the girl before her.

      There are exceptions. Obviously you were not one of them, if you were doing this guy who was “offering [you] bong rips and glasses of cheap wine and who would go on to have a physical relationship with her off-and-on for almost two years. (Still my longest ‘relationship’, which I’m sure would say something if I cared to read into it.)” You don’t seem to see a problem in that this guy was mentally YOUR age at the time you screwed around with him. Had you found a non-dumbassed stoner, MAYBE you’d have a different perspective, and maybe you wouldn’t be suffering through short-lived relationships now.

      Walker was an actor, model and philanthropist (a wealthy one). He literally could have dated anyone in the world, but he dated two adolescents, one of them long-term. Suddenly that makes it–him–wrong? Humphrey Bogart started dating Lauren Bacall when he was 45 and she was 19–”still a teenager”. They were married for 12 years before his death from cancer, and he remains the great love of her life. Were they wrong, too?

    • CanadianArcadian

      Can you prove that she wasn’t?

      I mean come on, do you seriously think, “you can’t prove it,” is a proper argument when you can’t prove your own bigoted points?

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      I need you to re-read what you just wrote.

    • CanadianArcadian

      Obviously my comment flew totally over your head or you wouldn’t even be making this one right here.

      You seem to see that the, “you can’t prove it,” route doesn’t make an argument because you have apparently called me out for making that exact argument. However, I only made it to show exactly how ridiculous it is, and to get you to confirm just that, as you have here.

      You do understand that you have defeated yourself here, don’t you?

    • Jimmy First

      Can you prove that Walker and his GF has sex while she was underaged? Or that she was victimized by their relationship? Because if you do not have a proof of that than regardless of what you say to yourself – you are a attention seeking coward who slander a dead man.

    • Alex Harman

      What “guessing game?” When you get to know someone, you don’t have to “guess” whether they’re unusually mature for their age or not, you observe that they either are or aren’t. I can “prove” that Paul Walker chose to have a relationship with her, and she chose to have a relationship with him, for seven years, and that she is emotionally devastated by his death; that strongly suggests that there was more to their connection than a predatory man exploiting a naive teenager.

    • David

      I think it is WRONG, that you or anyone, write these kinds of things, before the MAN IS ACTUALLY BURIED! Its too bad there are disgraceful journalists like yourself out there. Bad timing for anyone.

    • GARYJ

      SO PEDOPHELIA IS FORGIVEN WHEN YOU DIE?

    • David

      “Does no one find it at least odd that a 33 year old man would want to have a relationship with a 16 year old girl?”

      For thousands of years, 33-year-old men (and older) have taken 16-year-old brides (and younger). Historical fact. It may be considered unacceptable in our society, but you’re deluding yourself if you think it’s really odd.

    • Roark

      Thanks for pointing this out! Biology has hard wired men to be attracted to women past puberty but young, fertile and healthy. And for eons it’s been more the norm. So while our current societal norms (which btw are very recent, and somewhat rooted in the Victorian era) outlaw a relationship with someone under 18, you can’t blame men for biology, and the fact they would be attracted to you women.

    • garybj

      I am attracted to money…. so it’s ok to rob a bank??

    • Gus Mueller

      No, but it’s okay to only have sex with rich guys.

    • The More You Know

      @Roark – And yet biologically speaking, other than longer life expectancy, human development hasn’t changed much in recent history. Compared to our ancestors in the Ice Age, yes it has: our bodies & brains now & for a long long long time have developed more slowly. But in accordance with the historical comparisons going on in this thread (the past 10 centuries at the very least), let’s first deal with actual fact rather than subjective social norms shall we?

      1) “Carnal desire driven by ingrained survival via procreation” argument: The peak fertility age for a female is early 20s to late-mid 20s, dwindling in her early 30s, & then dropping after 35. Peak male fertility is early 20s to late 30s, dwindling in his 40s & dropping significantly in his 50s. No degree of career/education/travel ambitions or single-&-ready-to-mingle-until-forty mindset will change this soon.

      So, what does this mean? The quintessential “young, fertile, and healthy” female that the FERTILE male loins are subconsciously seeking, is a woman in her twenties – minimum! Because her body, not the pubescent teenager’s, has reached its bloom & is now capable of handling the stages of pregnancy & nursing, with the least amount of risks. Her ova will provide the best quality DNA. Likewise, a male in his 20s or 30s has higher sperm count & quality. These factors contribute to the better chance of a couple conceiving & the child receiving healthy cells from the father.

      The implications in past centuries have been the deaths of pubescent mothers during pregnancy or labor, miscarriages, & high infant mortality rates due to poor prenatal health (biological & medical) & labor complications. There were communities of aging husbands whose multiple & replacement wives continued to be drawn from the adolescent wading pool. It’s not that women had a higher mortality rate than men by nature; girls were being killed off by forced early marriages & motherhood. Perpetuating the misconceptions that childbirth was defective & a man needing to increase his [male] progeny
      quickly, would get better results with a younger model. Had they waited until the girls’ “old maid” years of her 20s, there would have been longer marriages & less easily controlled live domestic property.

      2) Which leads to the “maturity” argument: The average brain, male & female, finishes mechanical development around age 25 (+/-) a couple of years. It’s true that the use and size of the various regions of the brain slightly differs between the sexes. Still, the last region to mature for both is the prefrontal cortex which controls impulses & reasoning: it reins in the lower level thought processes & reactions. It’s not a snap-of-the-fingers change at 25, it happens over the years leading up to. After age 25 our fully developed brain exercises & increases understanding & clarity through experience – hopefully. Just like how reading more increases fluency & practicing mathematics fine-tunes our problem solving skills.

      Contrarily, the flush of adolescent hormones to the brain brings new types of impulses, illogical ideas, & overwhelming, conflicting emotions for teenagers. It is a time, many experts agree, when children absolutely need boundaries, structure, sensitivity and examples of how to deal with issues from guardians/parents/authorities/adults. As somebody fervently keeps expressing above, youth can best direct their energies into an organized activity rather than crime. Putting them into hard/slave labor/full-time work may not be the best option. Simply because the female skeletal structure can continue growing up to age 16, while some males grow until 20. Growing bodies need rest & growing minds deserve an education. (Side note: a child’s bones hardened around age 12, making it a better age to begin high intensity sports/dance. Avoiding brain dangerous sports like boxing or football helps maintain brain health).

    • The More You Know

      Applying facts to the topic of Paul Walker & his girlfriend

      I need to do some number crunching: Mr. Walker was 25 (peak fertility/peak physical material/developed brain) when he became a father to a baby girl. Little Jasmine was all of 8. By the time 33 year old Walker’s child was 8, he was dating a 16 year old high school sophomore or junior. Jasmine may have been twice his daughter’s age, but Paul was more than twice Jasmine’s. He was older than his high school girlfriend & elementary school daughter’s ages combined, plus their age gap.

      When Jasmine was born, Paul Walker was a year older than she was when he began dating her. When Walker died, his daughter was a year younger than Jasmine was, when Paul began dating the teenager. And somehow a 23 year old Jasmine was becoming a step-mother figure to a 15 year old girl whose 25 at the time father left the mother to avoid parenthood & wasn’t hands on in her early years of life. It just doesn’t add up to good tidings. Reading about this relationship years back certainly curbed back my interest to watch Paul Walker movies that were fun & action packed.

      Paul Walker’s attractiveness has no bearing on character, morality, or appropriate behavior. It only weighs in on celebrity interest. He wasn’t the most talented actor. The face & style of movies he was smart enough to choose brought in the crowds. His talent didn’t make or break a movie. At worst he was mediocre; at best he was good enough. Yes those that met/knew him said he was a loveable guy & he did his share of charitable work. And he should be commended & remembered for that. But death doesn’t erase the major flaws of a person either. He showed evidence of being a creep of a boyfriend & dad. His (& his friend’s) love of dangerous adrenaline rush activities & pushing boundaries is what essentially led to their deaths. It is an expected consequence of such a lifestyle, but sad nonetheless. There are three more kids out there without their fathers, that’s the tragedy.

    • garybj

      In Saudi Arabia people are marrying 7-year-olds…. does that make it ok?

    • Miss Y

      For thousands of years, people have owned slaves – they still do, in fact. History has little to do with right and wrong.

    • Paul_Rand

      Maybe she was just a cool girlfriend.

    • Plutarch

      If we weren’t talking about a movie star, everyone would recognize it as really creepy behavior. A guy who doesn’t want a real peer as a partner. A grown man who gets a thrill out of seducing a teenager.

    • Daddynate

      The guys who do this are kids themselves as far as maturity. I see this a lot from guys who’ve done prison time or are still at home with mom in their 20s.

    • Alex Harman

      How do you know that Jasmine hadn’t moved out of her parents’ house yet? I haven’t seen any information on that one way or there other, but we do know from the Las Vegas Sun article that Aubrianna Atwell had moved out of her parents’ house when she met Paul Walker; it’s possible the same is true of Jasmine. Until you have more information about how they met and when they actually started dating, it would be wiser and more decent to reserve judgment.

    • Alex Harman

      You are not everyone else; you are not even a representative sample of everyone else. What you were like at sixteen and at thirty-three tells us nothing about what anyone else is like at sixteen or thirty-three.

      Now, we don’t know about Jasmine, but we do know that Aubrianna Atwell had moved out of her parents’ house at the time she met Paul Walker; she’d moved to Los Angeles to attend a modeling school there. One thing they had in common was that she was starting a career in an industry in which he was already an established professional; what else they may have had in common (such as musical and other entertainment tastes, political views, lifestyle preferences) I don’t know, but considering that she called him “her best friend” years after their romantic relationship ended, and had previously lived with him and travelled to various other countries with him, I’d imagine they had quite a few shared interests.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I was 32 teaching in a free school and I found 7 year olds far more interesting than the other teachers in their aesthetics, their political and their psychological awareness. Age has little to do with it. It is the level of consciousness that is important. But of course the Law cannot deal with this singularity as it is in the Order of Production. Read Joyce Carol Oates book Mudwoman to see it fictionalized.To have these pseudo media debates is simply to occupy our minds and distract us from other things in our life and the world. Silly and unimportant.

    • Indignancefarmers

      No it it isn’t odd and if the sexes were reversed this article wouldn’t exist.

    • Jimmy First

      In general it is suspicious and definitely requires a closer look from a family – but I am against immediately branding older males as predators. Situations could be different and Walker one was different.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      How could you possibly know that?

    • YourBaldAssMom

      Welcome to California

    • MustBeSaid

      You do realize that an age gap like this is quite common in the majority of the world but up until a 150 years or so ago, was very common in the US and Europe.

      At 16 you might have been doing this and that but that’s you. You don’t know what her lifestyle or personality is.

      Do I find it weird that he found things in common with a 16 year old? What does that even mean? People like what they like. Aside from differences in my musical and food tastes, I like the vast majority of things now that I did in my mid-teens. I still do most of the hobbies I did when I was 16.

      Not every 16 year old is the same. Some people are different from you, shocking, I know.

      At any rate, as long as he didn’t do anything illegal, who cares? It’s not your business and it’s not mine.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      Yes, let’s take everything back to the same way it was 150 years ago. That will solve everything.

    • Trinton Lewis

      How is it odd for a man to be attracted to a girl that has fair skin? How is it odd that a male found a female that was entering a prime stage of her life attraction-wise, attractive? Age literally has nothing to do with physical attraction. It also has nothing to do with maturity. Maturity is based on your state-of-mind and ability, not the number of years it took you to obtain said things. If she was mature enough that her parents didn’t stop this, then there is nothing odd her. Two people were attracted to each other. If her parents sanctioned this, then it wasn’t even technically illegal.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      “If her parents sanctioned this, then it wasn’t even technically illegal.”

      Would theft be okay too, if her parents allowed it?

    • Trinton Lewis

      no, because theft does not have any allowances for the parents to sanction it. Also theft is a sin and is therefore wrong regardless of any man made law.

      But back to my point, this article says nothing about sexual relations Alexis. Therefore the ONLY WAY that this relationship was illegal if they didn’t have sex, is if the parents disallowed her to spend time with him.

      It is not my fault that you didn’t properly remember the article YOU wrote.

      We are not discussing whether or not sexual relations could or could not have been justified, or whether there was statutory rape involved. We are discussing whether it is weird or wrong for him to be attracted to someone so young.

      The answer is no. And the only way it is illegal, is if they broke the law, which YOUR article makes no mention of.

      It seems like perhaps you have an agenda here. One to vilify men who are naturally attracted to physical beauty. Thereby vilifying men in general, because humans in general (INCLUDING FEMALES) are naturally attracted to physical beauty. Shame on you for trying to make wrong something that in itself is wholesome and good, simply because you don’t like it.

  • Rentax

    Alexis,
    No one can stop you from basing your opinions solely on your own bias
    experiences. I just don’t understand why you feel the need to judge
    other people for having a different experience. Pointing out “Paul
    walker was wrong” is not using your own beliefs, opinions, and
    experience to inform your writing, it was assigning blame. It was being
    the judge and the jury, in a case built on circumstantial evidence and
    pure speculation. You spoke of the fact it was “wrong” but not in legal
    terms, in moral terms. Was it Illegal, yes. But we all do illegal stuff… In NYC it’s Jay walking, who doesn’t Jaywalk? Is it illegal, Yes. Is it wrong? Yes. In Portland it’s bicycles running stop signs, it’s quite typical. Is it illegal? Yes. Is it wrong? Yes.
    The law is the law you break it it’s broken, there is no this law is acceptable to break while another is is not. But I don’t think you were talking about the law you were simply saying saying it’s not OK. So the law aside…

    This does happen a lot, and there are people out there that can be a danger to the people around them whether those people are 16, 21, 36 or 85. However building an opinion on someone you have never met based on your own past experiences and based on who you were at the time is not rational. I’m not saying you don’t have a valid point about your situation, and the guy you were dating, but applying that to everyone else because an orange and an apple are both kind of round is still comparing oranges and apples and people. Other than you and her both being 16 at the time and both dating an older men are there any other similarities? Are you implying that Paul walker was plying this “young person” with alcohol and bong hits in order to have sex with her in his friends condo? I don’t think you were, but that is how the comparison would seem to play out.
    You say “I don’t care how mature you are for your age” but I think that is an unfair assessment. Men get their maturity called into question quit often, by society and I’m sure by you. As we get older it usually happens less because “older men” seem to “make better decisions” Which we all know is bullshit, and why as we get older we begin to base our opinions on people not by their age, but by how they act. As a matter of fact basing our opinions on people based solely on their age seems a little childish to me, at least to me.
    You also said “I felt at the time of my own experience that I was in control of both
    myself and the situation and that I had enough information and wisdom to
    proceed, but that was incorrect.” Later stating “Nobody can be objective about what’s happening while it’s still happening, least of all teenagers”
    But if nobody can be objective about what is happening while it’s happening, then no one has the facilities they need to be truly in control of both themselves and their situations. (the math work out there be cause in order to be in control you must have some objectivity on the situation at hand) Therefore we are all just like teenagers, fueled by our (not so secret) desire for drama and our need to be a part of something greater. Driven to seek out other people who share similar interests and hang out, maybe at parties. Sure “adults” make “better decisions.” We know when to stop drinking, or when to listen to our friend when they say “that guy is wrong for you,” and we know not to post photos on Facebook with our friends getting shitfaced, but we do. Because we are grown-ups and it’s OK, now.
    Age in a number. A measurement of how long you have been on this earth. It does not denote how capable you are of dealing with your current situation, or surroundings, it does not reflect your abilities to cope with your emotions, love, fear, pain or any other feelings your may have. Age is a simple number, no more no less. Saying you were the similar because at the same age a similar thing happened to you, would be like me saying I’m the quite like James McAvoy because we are the same age, both have blue eyes, and both got into acting when we were 16. But fairly certain you would say that I am nothing like James McAvoy.

    • Yasmin

      Did you actually just compare rape to jaywalking and running a stop sign? Yes, they are all laws but I think rape is SLIGHTLY more heinous than minor traffic infractions.
      If “we begin to base our opinions on people not by their age, but by how they act” then surely we can base our opinion on the fact that Paul Walker dated a 16 year old? Which if you can’t admit is morally wrong, you can at least admit it’s really weird.
      No matter how loving, sweet, beautiful and sincere their relationship was, at least for the first couple of years it was wrong.

  • Brian

    Dear… You are a sad person…this is rhe typical example of double-moral… 2 articles for the same thing… Enjoy your 5 minutes…

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      It’s cute you think I’m going to get famous from this.

    • erbear906

      You really need to roll with negative comments if you post a blog online. It comes with the territory. Writing snide replies to each negative comment makes you look incredibly defensive and unsure. Just an outsiders point of view.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      I’m pretty comfortable with the way I’ve defended an extremely personal essay of mine.

      People are welcome to say whatever they like, and I make it a point to try to respond to everyone. I feel like that’s respectful.

      And in this case, I’m responding to the fact that for someone writing a snide comment of their own, you’re surprisingly sensitive to snide comments.

    • erbear906

      This is funny. I stated replying made you look a certain way, not that you actually are a certain way. But, go ahead and be immature. Don’t expect another response from me. Your existence will be forgotten momentarily. Unlike Paul Walker.

    • Alexis Rhiannon

      This is acceptable to me.

    • Miss Y

      I thought her reply was clever, as is she!