• Tue, Oct 30 2012

Video: Madonna Tries Very Hard Not To Throw Shade On Her Fellow Divas On Ellen

Madonna has made a name for herself in the past by blatantly dissing other, younger divas, most notably Lady Gaga (and while sipping from a delicate teacup, no less). But when Ellen Degeneres tried to get her to do it again on her show yesterday, she was extremely measured.

As Ellen went down a list asking Madonna what she thinks of various pop stars, Madonna was curt and complimentary. “Britney Spears?” “Good kisser.” “Beyonce?” “Incredible voice.” Etc. When she got to Lady Gaga, there was a pregnant pause while Madonna tried to think of something, anything not-mean to say—you could pretty much see the smoke coming out of her ears—but she eventually settled on “good voice.” This might have seemed even less mean if she had not just said “incredible voice” about Beyonce, but we will take what we can get. I also appreciated the bit about Elton John at the end.

(Via ONTD)

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  • Irish Girl

    To be fair, Gaga hasn’t exactly been a modest little plum, either. Most of the time, frankly, I think she acts like a complete, pretentious idiot.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      What’s great about Gaga is that she can’t be pigeonholed into the standard woman sexy great dress image.

    • Irish Girl

      Right, because she rarely ever wears anything that could accurately be described as a dress.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      But that’s the point! This obsession with fashion! She just takes it to a hyper level into simulated reality.

    • Irish Girl

      I don’t think she’s that sophisticated, frankly.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Why don’t you think so?

    • Irish Girl

      Call it a gut instinct. I just don’t see anything she does as organically honest in any way.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      That’s because it’s not. You are right. She is deliberately mirroring the world we live in. You don’t like the reflection and neither do I, but that doesn’t mean she is wrong. Or dishonest. Or insincere in her mirroring.

    • Irish Girl

      Well, that’s the difference in how we view it, I think: I don’t think Gaga is actually setting out, deliberately, to mirror anything. I think she’s posing, and that it’s not as nuanced or deep as she wants people to think it is. I just don’t respect her.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I think she is saying “fuck you” in her own original way.

    • Irish Girl

      I don’t. I think she’s saying it in a completely uninspired and unoriginal way.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Here’s what I should have said yesterday. Sorry because it is what I meant: http://focusfree.blogspot.com/2012/09/reading-dress-more-than-dress-my-name.html?zx=58f2f52a5b1b4a94 I could easily have put Lady Gaga in that blog post. Maybe I will get around to it now that you have reminded me. Thanks.

    • Irish Girl

      I don’t know why you’re this invested, Abbey, but it’s your business if you like Gaga and think she’s relevant. I just happen to disagree, and…well, utterly abhor the girl, really. No big deal.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’m not invested in Gaga. I am invested in simulated reality and thinking about it and writing about it through media. I’ll put Katy Perry here too. They are very different from say Peggy Lee. David Bowie was an early one. Don’t you find this interesting?

    • Irish Girl

      Eh, not really. I don’t really find any of them (except Peggy Lee) at all interesting or compelling. I always thought even Bowie was outrageously overrated.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      That’s the point. That’s what interests me. What are they really saying whether they know it or not?

    • Irish Girl

      And again, that’s the difference between you and me. ;)

    • http://www.facebook.com/aarondarc Aaron Darc

      well that’s how and why it started – when she LIED about an email from Madonna, and then bit a journo’s head off for suggesting they sound similar (which… they do) and calling him “retarded”. It’s no small wonder she was in any way annoyed, but she’s never attacked her – when look at how the others treat each other in social media!

    • Irish Girl

      I just don’t like Gaga very much. She doesn’t project a hell of a lot of authenticity to me; there’s way too much veneer there for me to connect to anything she does on an honest, visceral level.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      She’s not authentic at all. she’s totally synthetic which is a comment on the lack of authenticity in all of our world. She’s Virtual Reality.

    • Irish Girl

      Let me put it this way: I don’t see anything sincere in her at all. Therefore I can’t even give that pretension any credit whatsoever.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’m not sure what you mean by sincerity when it relates to her. She is gaming. At this time if one doesn’t understand gaming, one misses a great deal. Think about Liberty Ross in this context. Think about Soderbergh’s Magic Mike and Haywire and some of the “children” in Hunger Games. And Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises. Being sincere doesn’t figure in at all. Outdated. So am I.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aarondarc Aaron Darc

    How can you write “Madonna has made a name for herself in the past by blatantly dissing the other, younger divas” and take yourself seriously, when she has done nothing of the sort, in a modern climate where all the young stars do is slag each other on twitter?!