Well I Did Not See This Kristen Stewart And Robert Pattinson Sex Pact Coming

While I’ve spent way too much time speculating on this alleged publicity stunt and predicting the various ways Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson could continue to get headlines on a daily basis, I did not guess sex pacts would get involved.

Which surprises me because I love pacts almost as much as I love seances. To quote Julie Andrews, “these are a few of my favorite things.” While I don’t want to say I can never forgive myself for missing this crucial element in my conspiracy theory, I don’t want to lie to myself. Sex pacts are just so obvious.

So now that everyone’s doing celebratory dances about Rob and Kristen being back together, the publicists behind this alleged scandal need to up the ante. They need to remind us what’s at stake here.

And that’s a healthy sex life for our two favorite lovebirds.

Just because they’re back together, doesn’t mean they’re sleeping together. Assuming that would be almost as bad as assuming that they’re completely unaware of the timing of their reconciliation and the timing of their Breaking Dawn press tour.

Luckily for us, our friends at The Mirror have a source at the office where Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson’s alleged therapist works. You know my favorite thing about our friends at The Mirror? They’re phenomenal story exaggerators.

These are people who can take one fact, like “Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson are human beings” and turn into a beautiful saga of sex pacts. For example, look at this poetry:

Troubled Hollywood couple Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart have signed up to a bizarre “no-sex pact” as they battle to save their rocky relationship.

The vampire stars split in July after Kristen, 22, was caught in a clinch with married director Rupert Sanders . But the fiery twosome are back on – just in time for the next Twilight movie premiere – and have enlisted the help of a top Hollywood shrink to help them rekindle their romance.

The first thing the psychiatrist did was immediately slap them with the nookie ban, according to my source. The super-hot couple have been ordered to sleep in separate beds for at least a month while they “work on communicating, healing wounds and trust exercises.”

This makes complete sense to me. No questions asked. No concerns about this “source” leaking highly confidential information. No queries about the fact that Kristen and Rob are even seeing a relationship counselor.

Nope, this all looks totally normal and good to me. I just hope that when they finally get it on again, some source leaks the details of their romantic encounter.

Oh, and I also hope that it aligns correctly with Breaking Dawn DVD sales.

(Photo: PacificCoastnews.com)

 

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    • http://twitter.com/notthistwilight Catherine Dove

      Of course this is all a huge publicity stunt, but it isn’t necessarily one that Robert, Kristen and especially ANY of their obsessed FANS signed up for! I worry about the hearts of these young girls who are getting jerked around by this stuff. And “the franchise” just makes me angrier with ALL the time and effort they have obviously been putting into saving BDp2. A little more actual caring for your fans would be nice, Stephenie! You KNOW these Twilight addictions were preventable. It’s time to start placing blame where it belongs – NOT Kristen Stewart or Hollywood’s stupid PR ways – Stephenie Meyer’s publishing company for publishing this saga so unprofessionally and in SUCH a (preventably) addictive way. Search “explaintwilightbreakingdawnending blogspot” for the details.

      • photoshopped pr

        Thank you for your outlook. Perhaps, in a way, it is best for young people that this has occurred. Hopefully, if and when they find out the truth, they will be that much wiser in the years to come.

      • lillicat

        I hope so too. And hopefully they will see how horrible it is to be treated this way. Does Kris have enemies in Japan? Surely they will send someone with her.

    • Irish Girl

      Eh. Whatever. If they decide that it’s too soon for sex, then that might not be a bad call. It could be that they decided they’re too raw from recent events to jump into bed together. That seems pretty reasonable to me. I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a “sex pact”.

      Then again, for all we know, they’re doing the nasty every night, multiple times, and it’s helping them immensely. Who knows?

      • sam

        Sam

      • lillicat

        Someone posted on GC that the neighbors said they were doing it in the yard every night! Hah. Not I take this as gospel, it’s just funny. Remember when we were wondering Kris could be pg 2 nights ago? Well, a gossip site has posted a tagline that says KStew is ready to have a baby………. Of course , when opened it an old quote and “someday” was left off the end. Just setting up possibilities. Lord help Me. I still think they are together, PR or not. The signs are screaming!!!!

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I love it! The stories are getting wilder and wilder.

      • Irish Girl

        Oh, that’s fantastic…backyard bonking. Spectacular. And yeah, I think they’re together, too. In fact, I think they were back together before anyone got wind of it.

      • nena

        Ha I thought their place was secluded, were the neighbors using binoculars ?

      • Irish Girl

        Who says the neighbors saw them? Maybe it was all audio. :P

      • nena

        ha Did tou see what GC wrote? I saw it on twitter, saying that the other articles were taken down because of the language ad they want the site to be for sharing and crap, didnt like all the hatred for RP and KS, ha wonder who did this?

      • lillicat

        OMG. nena- you asked me who was deleting blocks of posts while I was on there? one of the posters said they thought GC was monitoring and deleting. Now there was some rage and it looked to me that a couple of guys got on and were just making stuff up to get people in a tizzy. There was poster named david_morris that would post very negative and then very positive as to argue with himself. People may have thought it was 2 different people, but it was evident in his writing that it was the same person. Did anyone the the Katy Couric/Chelsea Handler interview about R&K?

      • nena

        I heard that CH was supportive of R and K I wonder why GC suddenly developed standards? Could RP have told nick to stop it?

      • lillicat

        The interview was said to be very supportive of them, and that both KC and CH believed they were together. KC is supposed to be a bud of Reese W. It’s supposedly on you Tube.

      • lillicat

        I hope he did. It’s not as bad as it was, but still entertaining. EX: remember the Mexico thank U/goodbye video and was debunked by GC? Someone pulled up tweets from Mexico where people were in line to get their tickets to this. They posted the tweets on GC and translated..

      • nena

        what video?

      • Irish Girl

        I did see that…! I was wondering when GC was going to say something – it was getting nasty in the threads. I stopped commenting for awhile because of the vitriol. You can’t have a productive or even amusing discussion with that attitude.

      • lillicat

        It almost appeared that “guys” were jumping on there and saying things that would automatically upset the regular posters. I use that term because they didn’t seem female, but I could be wrong. You could almost hear them laughing. One guy got on and kept talking to himself positive then horribly negative. I envisioned someone that was bi-polar.

      • Irish Girl

        You get a lot of that type over there.

      • nena

        yesterday one poster named guest was arguing with guest, it was creepy, also a Guest and a guest2

      • Irish Girl

        Whoever their mothers were clearly had very little talent or thought for naming children.

      • nena

        I know, no one here would be so boring or unimaginative

      • lillicat

        Nick, Nick, Nick!!!!!!!!Frenkel!

      • nena

        You bet today over there some of the posts were deleted and some said they were hidden because they were bad but the ones I looked at were fine it was strange over there because I think they were messing with Disqus over there

      • lillicat

        Me too. Did you notice how much space was taken up with 2-3 word posts?

      • nena

        They should have just not had it up today until it was fixed

      • lillicat

        Oh come on- they were saying that to the hater to yank their chain.

      • ss

        Maybe their neighbors just heard them? Lol

      • lillicat

        The stuff people are saying is just beyond ridiculous. Including PH. If there is any hopeful news, he just starts vomiting negative BS. HL had a big article about R&K going back to Brazil for a break (separate beds of course), and showed a pic of them at the Vancouver airport. Crapola. I have a new moniker for you all learned on GC, though. Some hater was ranting and raving, and a regular called the hater a Whakka-doodle! I am using that on anyone in my life that is acting like a Waldo.

      • lillicat

        Me too. I just think they want out of the “spectacle”.

      • Petranella

        I would really think so man!

      • Gosia

        With Abbeysbooks we were talking about week-10 days separation, no longer and how do you think?

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        It’s just all speculation and mine changes daily if not hourly sometimes. LOL!

      • Gosia

        Yes, me too, but after all I’m getting back to this. I can’t imagine any chances for reconciliation other way.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Take some time off and link:

        Objet petit a
        The Unobtainable Object of Desire

        Lecture I: Introduction—Transcending the Secular

        This is what Eric Packer is doing all day. The limo is secular and when he leaves it each time he transcends it. As far as Torval is concerned it is a transgression every time he gets out of the limo.

        From: http://crestondavis.wordpress…. For Objet petit a

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks
      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Gosia they are not broken. The system is broken and it is trying to break them. As Nietzsche says, they cannot stand your happiness.

      • Gosia

        I think so. I’m not over invested. I’ve just have my theory and I stick to it. It doesn’t mean that it’s still at all, it fluctuates a little.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I thought you might like this bit of info:

        These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America

        15
        JUN
        This infographic created by Jason at Frugal Dad shows that almost all media comes from the same six sources.
        That’s consolidated from 50 companies back in 1983.
        NOTE: This infographic is from last year and is missing some key transactions. GE does not own NBC (or Comcast or any media) anymore. So that 6th company is now Comcast. And Time Warner doesn’t own AOL, so Huffington Post isn’t affiliated with them.
        But the fact that a few companies own everything demonstrates “the illusion of choice,” Frugal Dad says. While some big sites, like Digg and Reddit aren’t owned by any of the corporations, Time Warner owns news sites read by millions of Americans every year.

        http://read.bi/KXHRym

        http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

        I got it here, a really marvelous site I can’t find the strength to stop reading: http://jacktweeter.wordpress.com/

    • Petranella

      All eyes will be scrutinizing them so intensely later this month and next.

      • ss

        Yeah. But, everyone will be really watching them AFTER BD2 is over. Meaning, into 2013. It ain’t over…

      • Petranella

        Yes. throughout the promotion and afterward BIG TIME scrutinizing and the photographers seeking them out.. They just have to have a game plan! I wonder what……..

      • Petranella

        Except that during promotions the HAVE to be present. After BD2 obligation is over, it will be another hunt to locate and photograph them.

      • Irish Girl

        Maybe they’ll have sex right there on the red carpet. At this point, I think it’s the only fair thing.

      • nena

        And maybe name the baby Irish?

      • Irish Girl

        Oh, why not? Or just get really Gaelic and name her “Celt”.

      • nena

        even better, these posts are so far from your sex comment that no one knows what we are talking about

      • Irish Girl

        They never know what I’m talking about anyway.

      • nena

        You like it that way, keep everyone guessing. Just like the media, ummm you are the source cuz you say stuff but some scratch their heads and say ” what”

      • Irish Girl

        Actually, I just like playing with words. It’s a gift.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        LOL!

      • Chancellor

        @abbeysbooks: Don’t know if you all are interested but they just released the BD2 cast press promotional schedule (Oct. 1). It is on HWL but tonight on E!News backed up the schedule. Kristen is going to Japan by herself, Rob and Taylor are going to Brazil. Seems funny KS is by herself. It is in an article titled Robert Pattinson & Kristen Stewart reunite for the Breaking Dawn Tour. They give dates and who is going where.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Who knows what lurks in the hearts of men. The shadow do! I no longer look for reasons as they just make them up anyway.

      • ss

        I saw that about KS going to Japan by herself….I thought that was a little interesting there….

      • Petranella

        It is not that unusual, as Rob went to Japan with Chris Weitz, and several examples. When Kristen and Taylor promoted many countries when Rob was filming the Reese Witherspoon movie..which shows their employer was flexible enough to excuse him that time.

    • Tryin to figure it all out

      Good post, Jenni. I love how your quoted paragraph’s call them “the troubled Hollywood couple” and the “fiery twosome”. Anything to add more drama to the mix…

      Where did you get the photo? Just curious. Is it from their recent reconciliation?

      • Tryin to figure it all out

        (Ooops, delete that apostrophe from ‘paragraph’s') :O

      • nena

        It was from a BD1

      • Tryin to figure it all out

        Ah, thanks! :)

      • lillicat

        The London Premiere of BD1. One of my favorite looks on both of them.

    • jenver

      Actually, this fits perfectly. No sex for Rob and Kristen equals steamy, smoldering, longing looks for each other on the red carpet. And just think – they’re like a whole new couple now. All eyes will be on them once again asking the question, “Are they doing it, or are they not doing it??”

      • Petranella

        I know–that has been the perpetual question for Robsten.

    • Chancellor

      I don’t think there is anything wrong with this as long as it is no sex with anybody not just each other. I think waiting will make them realize how much they need each other emotionally. They can concentrate on each other’s emotional needs first and then move to physical needs. I think it will be more special when it does finally happen if they get to know each other better emotionally and meet those needs first. To do this I hope she told them they need to do fun things together and stop going out separately. I have always wondered if people getting together physically first instead of emotionally knowing the other person is what has lead to so many divorces now. Jenni did the pact included a clause for no sex with anyone else and where did you get this news? If it doesn’t then the relationship is doomed. I worry about Rob going out bar hopping again with the guys and no Kristen. I also wonder if any of this is true or just more fludder from tabloids making up more to gossip about. I wish this entire thing was over because it is very exhausting to hope and worry each day that things work out for the best.

      • nena

        It came from the mirror she said and how would they know this? There is no way someone told the Mirror this, for once I do agree with Jenni in that this is just going to make for stories if KS is pg that the story will be “oh who is the father? RP and KS did t have sex because the mirror told us about their no sex pact so it must be RS baby”. Stupid tabloids/media, just shut up!!!

      • ss

        Well good thing she isn’t pregnant! ( I am assuming because she doesn’t look like it all)

      • Gosia

        Nothing is known, sometimes it can be seen in 6th month.

      • lillicat

        Oh Nena – when you read the article did you notice the GC let “slip” that the so-called “pal” mentioned that Kris has not drank since July? Think they are planting the “seed”?

      • nena

        I hope she isn’t, not a good time unless its something they really wanted.. But who knows maybe they never had problems and KS told him what RS was doing, but if they are even in a little pain a baby isn’t going to help

      • lillicat

        So true. They would have to go to Bali or the Great Coral Reef to escape the negative. Really I was just talking about how the gossip sites are trying to get a hedge on the next potential scandal.

      • nena

        With RP and KS or anyone else they can think of? I don’t understand why so many people at GC don’t want them together? I really think some think they could have him! They are a sad bunch.

      • lillicat

        Well- the picture he made with the fan or DJ showed his eyes a little unfocused. at the Black Keys set.

    • ss

      Even though RP got cheated on (for a PR stunt or not?), some more good news for him…RP was named Glamour UK’s “Sexiest Man Alive.” Great ego booster right there, for someone cheated on right? He is insanely good looking.

      • Tryin to figure it all out

        That should be “Sexiest Man Alive: Under 30″, thank you very much! Cause, like, there are a least 4 UK men I can think of right off the top of my head who are WAY sexier than RP. Daniel Craig, Rupert Penry-Jones, and both Mr. Darcy’s…Colin Firth and Matthew Macfadyen. Take that, Glamour UK! :P

      • ss

        Oh I agree about the under 30 thing! Yes, I agree RP is super handsome. Honestly, Tom Hiddleston SHOULD have been #1, not RP. I LOVE Tom H! *fainting*. OR Michael Fassbender. He should of at LEAST been #2. But for me Colin Firth and Daniel Craig are just on another level than RP period, ever. Why aren’t those two even on the list? Smh But…..Cory Monteith and Paul Wesley are???? Wtf. AND Ed Westwick ranked higher than Christian B, Ryan G, Tom Hardy AND Chris H?!?! WTF

      • Tryin to figure it all out

        Oh yeah, Tom Hardy! Dang, I can’t believe he didn’t come to mind right away! I love him! Oh well, you can’t count on those mags to get anything right…right? lol!

    • JS

      You know the PR stunt theory is appealing at first because it seems to come at the issue from a new revealing angle. And people are very willing to believe PR types capable of elaborate deceptions, so it’s sort of plausible as well. Personally, I have no axe to grind as I’m not particularly a fan of either Rob or Kristen and my first reaction was that a PR stunt made sense but, on reflection, I’ve gone off the idea and here’s why.

      If this is a stunt Rob’s and Kristen’s PR people would be working together, no? Yet the two “sides” are sending out quite different messages, not contradictory exactly but different. Ignoring the fabricated tabloid rubbish (the sex pact story is a good example), Lainey is the one blogger who openly admits that her information is coming from Kristen (via her team) and, as she has something to lose (her credibility), I’m inclined to take that at face value. Her recent reports paint a picture of an angsty yet total reconciliation (“more intense than ever” being a key phrase). Yet Rob’s people (who, it is rumoured, use Gossip Cop), while pointedly stopping short of denying Lainey’s claims, play it down to the “they’re just talking” level. Rob is frequently seen out on his own with his buddies but never with Kristen, which is now seriously spooking a lot of the more nervous shippers. It’s like a low level denial of reconciliation and enough to confuse the hell out of fans. Why would a PR operation send such a contardictory message? Some fans believe they are together, a lot don’t and a hell of a lot think PR people are messing with them. That doesn’t sound very clever to me. If these two split after the BD2 DVD release (as they must, if this is a showmance) a lot of their devoted fans are going to feel they’ve been played, because the PR stunt theory is out there in a big way now. If I was running PR for Kristen and Rob that is not an outcome I’d be looking for. What’s the motive for deception on this level? Will it really benefit the already selling-itself BD2 enough to compensate for the disillusionment and sense of betrayal that will set in once the thing plays out? I mean, I’m fascinated by what’s going on with these two, but I have no intention of going to BD2 (because it’s for Twilight fans and I’m not one) and even the thought that they might be playing me would discincline me to go even more. In my opinion, BD2 doesn’t need a PR stunt (you’re either a Twilight fan, or you aren’tand that will determine whether you go or not) and such a stunt, once revealed, is likely to do both Kristen and Rob far more harm than good for future ventures. Not to say it isn’t happening, but if it is, I think they’re all making a huge mistake!

      • ss

        Nicely said. Agree with you. Especially about the part, where you said RP people “pointedly stopping short of denying Lainey’s claims,playing it down to the ” they’re just talking” level. And then with RP being frequently seen with his friends and w/o KS argument… Just seems both RP and KS giving “almost” conflicting reports/messages. And YES, I know he doesn’t need to be attached to the hip to,KS. The same with her too. That’s not point though. Anyway, I’m actually in the middle, with if this “cheating scandal” is a PR stunt or not.

      • JS

        Thanks and, yes, I’m not discounting it as a stunt either although, if it is, I think the advisers who came up with it should get their heads to play with. It is too elaborate, far too risky and with a downside that far outweighs any potential benefit.

        On the other hand, if the relationship is real then a messy PR morass like this is exactly what you would expect because real world protagonists will put their own concerns ahead of PR and end up in what we have here…publicity chaos. The simpler explanation to me is that this is just as it seems: Kristen has secured the reconciliation she wanted, maybe shakier in trust terms for now than she would like, but a foundation for her to build on. And my impression is she’ll do almost anything to make this work now so I wouldn’t be surprised if her priority is to tail him round the world next year at any career cost. Rob is in because she’s convinced him that she wants this for the long haul (and, cheesy as it may seem, he loves her rather a lot) but he is still shaken and doesn’t want it public yet that he has forgiven her quite so quickly. That might partly be for her own safety, as she seems to attract a particularly hateful breed of demented anti-fan who take exception at the thought of her surviving at all after cheating, let alone being forgiven as well . Summit, I would venture, are trying to ride the storm, avoid PR catastrophe and leverage any advantage they can from a situation not of their making.

      • ss

        Once again….EXACTLY! :)

      • lillicat

        Amen, Sisters.

      • nena

        yes, see there so many reasons for RP actions, if I was KS i wouldnt to out now i would be afraid, I still dont think she did cheat, I really think she was set up and ambushed by RS and I think RP knows that now, and I do think they love each other, and once RP realized what RS did he knew the truth

      • lillicat

        Yes. Yes! RP knows the truth.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        If he knows the truth what stopped him from walking off the stage at the MTV awards when they booed Kristen’s trailer?

      • nena

        What trailer?

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        At the MTV awards when KS was at TIFF, they showed little trailers of each of them saying something or other and when KS came on the audience booed her and Rob looked upset. So I read. This is quite sick at this point and has nothing to do with either of them. They would stone her to death without even thinking twice about it. These are very primitive people without even a muslim religion that advocates such horrors.

      • Petranella

        That should be on the tape then. Unless sounds did not pick it up.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Someone said it was removed from the TV showing.

      • Chancellor

        @abbeysbooks@ I was watching the MTV live screening of the VMAs that night. It did show up there and Rob was on stage when it happened. The trailer of Kristen came up just before the cast made their speeches and the members of the audience that were gathered around the stage area are the ones that booed Kristen. Wyek (sp?) Godfrey put his arm around Rob’s shoulder when it happened. Taylor Lautner and Jackson Rathbone looked pissed and Elizabeth Reeser looked embarressed. The audience that was around the stage was a bunch of fan girls not part of the music crowd that was there to receive awards. The only ones in the music crowd clapping with the fan girls were Katy Perry and Rihania. There is a delay built in shows now since the Janet Jackson breast expose thing happened several years ago. So shows on TV that are live the TV viewer want see the actual live view. They will see what happened 5 min. later. They deleted the trailor booing during the 5 min. delay so the TV viewer didn’t see the incident. I think this is why Rob’s voice was so off when it was his time to speak about the trailer. He was still upset.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Thank you. What I thought then was what happened. Too bad they all didn’t walk off. It’s time those fans were thrown under the bus.

      • lillicat

        Chancellor, was the live screening on MTV.com? I wonder if it is still available?

      • nena

        The article said it could not be heard on video

      • Petranella

        OK wow well, before or after he made his speech.?

      • nena

        The booing not heard

      • Petranella

        Then how can anyone know for sure if Rob heard it or did not hear it?

      • nena

        Well we don’t I don’t know how loud it was.

      • Petranella

        I give Rob the benefit of the doubt that he will or would be upset about that if he heard it. I do hope it is something that does not happen again.

      • nena

        yeah maybe it wasnt that loud, who knows with all the screaming I’m sure that went on.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Don’t make excuses for him. He has allowed himself to fall under the control of Cronenberg and Nick Frenkel. He needs to know his fans see that and are warning him. That’s what fans are for. Not for fainting and slobbering over him.

      • lillicat

        I believe that Rob would be saddened to hear what people were and are still in some cases calling Kris, even if they weren’t together. He is sensitive by his own call.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I am sure of that also.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        If she heard it it was loud enough. What did the MC say? And if she heard it for sure Rob heard it.

      • nena

        The MC was nice to Ks. He said something like she made a mistake and to get over it, he didn’t bash her.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        That isn’t nice! She didn’t make a mistake! How dare he! He just assumed after a quick look at those pictures from a man’s eyes. Women who are experienced see them very differently having been in her shoes many times.

      • nena

        He said “If she did cheat, so what its over move on. Shit happens.” He talked about other “shit happens” moments on the vma

      • lillicat

        He did tell people to f#$@ing get over it and move on. But then he added a little jab about the dwarfs, naming them and adding something at the end like “cheater”. I can’t remember exactly what the word was, but people laughed.

      • lillicat

        She said also it was very loud (screaming fans).

      • lillicat

        One of the fangirls posted she was close to the stage and could hear it. She was the one that posted what the MC said about Kris that was bleeped out.

      • Petranella

        Oh really? And did she also see RP at the same time?

      • lillicat

        Yes, she was the one who said how sad he looked.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Rest assured. He was there. He heard it. When it was live it was not masked. Or bleeped out.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        The media always does that. They did it to Stephen Colbert when he lathered Bush II at the White House Correspondent’s’ dinner. The TV gave it a few sentences and chose the most innocuous ones. Crooks and Liars, and youtube were crashing servers all over the country and by morning had racked up 1 million hits on something the mainstream media had tried to cover up it was so damaging to Bush because it was hilariously funny, the court jester being able to tell the king the truth. So the TV media does not want you to know the audience booed Kristen Stewart. Why not? Why can’t you know? Is there something wrong with you that you have to be protected from knowing? It’s a stupid program, a stupid simulacrum of an award show, Rob doesn’t want to be associated with teeny boppers anymore, So fuck it, walk off. This is the girl I love and you are not going to insult her in front of me and have me pretend it doesn’t matter.

      • Petranella

        well you are right! R or K can’t verbalize how OVER they must be with all the MTV teenage shit–I don’t blame them. You can grin and bear it of course for a the huge bucks it brings but c’mon 4 years of Justin Beiber type nonsense with MTV. I don’t blame them a bit for being anxious to leave this “scene” We will all be watching closely the upcoming promotions. I still give Rob the benefit of the doubt at this point–and not because I am such a huge “fan” of his at all.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I have given him the benefit of the doubt most of the time, but it has been contaminated for me with the NYSE bell ringing the new morning in! The only reason the fans keep voting for him in this shit is so they can see pics of him on the internet to glob over. Really he has some of the worse fans that anyone has ever had or will for a very long time. I hope I’m dead by then. They are the most vile species of girls and women I have ever come across. I am talking about the ones on the comment boards, the ones who camp out, who tweet him every time he goes to the store, who stalk him, who must have that autograph and camera pic. Those. He needs to sign a few pics and move on, not spend all that time going down the line. It’s his availability that encourages them to think he is theirs.

      • Petranella

        You bring up a good point–HIS fans you are describing. NOT necessarily Twilight fans. There is some crossover sure. But the public and much of mainstream entertainment coverage does NOT know the difference at this point. There are some of Rob’s fans “super fans” I have heard them called by others–who look with disdain or some disdain on Twilight.

        And what I was trying to say in my last post is that I really think R/K are very ready to “grow up” and leave the teeny bopper scene behind. 4 years ago Rob was all over those adolescent teen girl heartthrob magazines not he is not for the last year. And I don’t blame either of them from feeling “too old” for some of the stuff they have to do.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Josh milks them for all the cash he can get out of them. And everyone thinks he is so nice and that R/K like him and trust him. Balderdash. He’s the one who asked Kristen about Cali and almost made her cry on camera.

      • Petranella

        No she just had a poker face like it hadn’t even been asked.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Was that when her voice broke afterwards?

      • Petranella

        No that was another time. She had NO reaction to being asked about Cali. I wonder what Nick Cassevettes said about it, he being in Toronto promoting another film

      • lillicat

        I have to ask if anyone else heard that Cali is being held up until Kris is ready?

      • Petranella

        I have heard that, yes.

      • nena

        I read it and I actually said that over at GC yesterday, someone was using the fact that she apologized and dropped Cali as proof that she cheated

      • lillicat

        You know, I’m really beginning to believe what my Gramma said “You can’t argue with a Fool”. But I won”t say that on GC. Whew!! She gave an interview in Paris to a German Mag(I think), and mentioned that she would be doing Cali in the future.

      • nena

        are you talking about Josh Horowitz?

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Yes I am.

      • Petranella

        Well according to what you are saying then Kristen has something to be worried about.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        IDK. I bet she would have walked off if it had been him getting booed over something like this.

      • nena

        I don’t blame her for not going out

      • lillicat

        So many people commented about how upset he looked when that happened. The TV must have erased it, because I couldn’t hear it for the screaming.

      • Guest

        I admit I would love to see him do something radical.

      • lillicat

        Maybe when Wyck put his arm around him, it gave him the strength he needed to blow it off the best he could, as Chancellor said below.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Why do these men keep treating him like a boy? Why does he let them? Cronenberg pats him on the head like a child. Cronenebrg shushes him up when he begins to say something important. Someone give him a good shake.

      • Gosia

        Think the same

      • nena

        Lets hope!

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Obviously you haven’t spent any time with the videos nor discussing this with educated experienced women who have all walked a thousand miles in Kristen’s shoes THAT AFTERNOON. It is not clear cut even if the photos are honest candids, which it is almost impossible to believe they are, All of us women have been there with a good friend, a working partner, a student friendship,even the husband of a good friend, etc any number of times. It is a hairy situation, because you really like the person who has suddenly come on to you, and how do you extricate yourself from his or her moves without losing the friendship you don’t want to lose. Give me a good answer how and I might take it back.

      • lillicat

        Weren’t they together at SoHo House Friday night? Spotted by 3 people at a party. Also GC said the No Sex ban was not true.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Now why would Gossip Cop report that a silly tidbit like that was not true? Only to get comments and hits. It is so ridiculous that their impression of their readers is that they are morons and imbeciles. Such contempt for us it is despicable and insulting. And maybe they were together and maybe they weren’t. Who can know, and if someone does know, can they be believed as credible? I personally don’t know them so I don’t know if they are credible or not.

      • lillicat

        Good point. I keep forgetting that GC is the mouth of Nick.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Yes. Gossip Cop is the mouth of Nick Frenkel, Rob’s manager.

      • Petranella

        The one woman I saw on twitter looked like a credible adult. I was skeptical at first. The one person I saw looked and talked credible imo.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        C’mon. Why would anyone even take the tiniest bit of interest in such a stupid statement as a sex ban. It is not even worth reading if you can avoid it.

      • Petranella

        Well plus the fact that any psychologist counselor has client confidentiality. And it is not likely either party would blab this to even their closest of friends. That is why it is the dumbest headline rumor yet.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        It doesn’t have to be PR. Rob out with his friends, where he will drink and be a boy is Nick Frenkel’s way of keeping him in adolescent mode. That makes him more amenable to Nick’s suggestions and influence. Nick does not want Rob to be making indies. They will not bring in the big bucks Nick Frenkel has grown accustomed to having from Twilight. If you look at his twitter page he form the IMDH whatever board, has 13 clients. I’d like to know when he ever even sees anyone else. Rob has become high maintenance. Nick goes everywhere with him and all the pics on his twitter page are Rob or Nick and Rob. I AM ROB PATTINSON’S MANAGER FOLKS!.He does not have an impressive or experienced CV. He is tight with Abrams who definitely does and who founded and owns Gossip Cop. Gossip Cog is a Kristen bashing site that pretends it is counter acting her bashing by exposing the lies about her, which people who hate her click on hoping to read more nasty about her, are disappointed at the defense, and trash her to Sunday on the comment boards. Is this planned, maliciously planned by Nick Frenkel, Rob’s manager? It is a strategy worthy of Ellsworth Toohey from Ayn Rand’s Fountainhead.

      • Gosia

        Will she have strength enough to make Rob realize what Nick is doing?
        I’m very interesting what new projects Rob will find (it will take time as he has 3 films to do now, I know) I’ve heard about “The band” and “The Monkey” projects.
        When she’ll be back to work?
        So many questions for the future.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        It’s not her job to make him realize how Nick Frenkel operates, it’s our job.

      • Gosia

        So we will continue. How do you intend to manage that? I think he know very well how to manipulate. Have a time and opportunity.
        Funny is you want to do the same.
        Why not to leave things as they are.
        You see, things changes. You never know what will be good and what turns wrong.
        I all the time figure back and forth if it would’t be better for Kristen if he left her. He would be lost but she…
        No, I love them both so wish them be together

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I am not out to manipulate. My ambitions are far greater than that. I am about changing the Dominating Discourse of Western Civilization. It is already happening so I support it wherever I find it, and insert it wherever I am.

        Right and wrong are oppositional. A never ending game of ping pong while the planet sinks into irreparable ruin for humanity. Not for cockroaches tho! While people suffer starvation while women wear diamonds from their countries to celebrate Forever Love.

        Live simply so that others may simply live.

      • lillicat

        Beautiful slogan.

      • Gosia

        About irreparable ruin for humanity – isn’t is so each generation is saying about the world?
        About diamonds – it always was and always be – looking for something rare. It doesn’t have to be diamond, you know it can be a ball of mud but very rare one. You would like to change human nature – I don’t think it will happen.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        No I am talking about teen children kidnapped to work in diamond mines. Up to their neck in mud, sometimes drowning in it, getting an enema before at the end of the day to make sure they didn’t hide one, starving, sick worked to death so DeBeers can convince women that they need one as proof of love.
        And yes, we are at the end of where we can continue to pass the buck, wait it out until things get better. Go listen to Zizek on youtube.

      • Gosia

        Sorry it’s not about diamonds but about people, you mess up different things. It’s about regime, about people who can treat other people like animals, whom other’s people life is worth for nothing.
        Here in Poland a few years ago was an affair – one of senators was condemned for not paying taxes and was removed from senate. You imagine he was elected again (new law was set up and he had to drop out). Why? Because he was the one biggest employer there.
        Sorry but not buying diamonds is the same fake as all charity with selling actress dresses.
        You want to change the result not the reason.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Yes of course it is about people, but people caught in the Foucauldian Grid of power/knowledge/capital. Why it will never do any good to boycott diamonds. that protest is inside because there is no outside.

        Of course some get caught. And some people win the lottery. And that person will be rewarded ( lottery) or punished (cheating govt official and would you call that cheating a mistake?). But another will take their places as it is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. One has to grasp the understanding of the Grid first. To understand how all encompassing it is. This is Cosmopolis. It is close to total. Is it a fluke that people now say I totally understand that? There is no outside which is why Foucault spent so much time on resistance. “Where there is power, there also is resistance.” And Foucault did actively resist even at great risk upon occasion.

        Baudrillard says no. The grid gets tighter and tighter, spirals, gets finer and finer so wiggle room disappears. This is Katniss at home in District 12. Not a lot of wiggle room for her, but some.

        For R/K they are in the grid and it is tightening on them. they still have wiggle room. But what they don’t know is how extensive and enveloping the Grid really is. They think they are free, and they are, but their freedom even with all their wealth is limited.

        This is Ayn Rand in Atlas. This is Dagny’s dilemma. If she just has some wiggle room she can continue to do what she loves, run Taggert Transcontinental Railroad. But they keep squeezing her, and she keeps creating solutions, or ways to keep going, thinking the situation cannot go on forever. And all this time she is battling John Galt who is fighting her, his greatest and most worthy enemy, to bring the fucker down.

        If there were no diamonds there, this particular slavery would not exist, but then they would go somewhere else to try to find a way out of squalor and starvation on a continent that has been ruined by colonialism, its soil always very thin and not able to sustain a huge population, so they must migrate. But where?

        A world has been constructed so terrible but few observe this. You and others will keep arguing in the Dominating Discourse of classical Hegelian dialectic, which by its very structure disallows any solution. And this is why anyone whose language strays from the Dominent Discourse must be silenced. the Discourse can also be visual, auditory, and involve all the other senses including the body and mind. It is a language and languages are not just words as we have seen in the “cheating” pics.

      • Gosia

        No, there is solution. In general I could say we should give them angling-line not a fish. That means solution not the result. It’s better to build well than to bring water.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        The solution is seduction. Seduction in the Order of Seduction cannot be produced. The Hollywood people try and try and cannot produce it. Cleavage, breast enhancement, plastic surgery and it doesn’t work. You know I cannot explain this in sound bites. But we are talking about 2 different orders. Order of Production is irreversible. Order of Seduction is reversible. As Order of Production absorbs more and more and more we are squeezed until we have no more moves. Children now do not have anywhere near the freedom I had when I was young. and when I was young I had no where near the freedom of the time when my mother was young. No this will not work either.

        I think if you want to understand you will have to study some. Seriously.

      • Gosia

        I’m mathematics and physics woman. That’s what I’m good at and I can study in this direction. None on the world has given my country any chance to be free and we’ve made it, my generation. I knew, we (my generation) are lost but we did it for the future, for our children. You’re saying about books about theories not about life. Sorry I think your theories are good in high advanced society, not there where is no society at all.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        And just how do you think the Polish people have done this against all odds? By planning, drills, bean counting? No by passion by God, by refusing to give up. With little boys dying in the Warsaw uprising for throwing stones. That’s the spirit of what I am talking about. If we all hadn’t loved Kristen and Rob we wouldn’t have bothered just to paste it to the media, would we? No it was love. and the Polish people “love” freedom and know what it is. Americans think freedom is just a choice, being able to buy the car you want, live in the apartment you want, buy the house you want. Americans are liberated, but we don’t have the faintest idea of what freedom is or love. How come I am the only one that will take what I know to protect a very young girl from being vilified, damaged, driven to suicide perhaps? Why did no one care about this and instead kept arguing points of interest, who was right, who was wrong, what she really did, and what she really didn’t do. All that was never going to get any of us anywhere. And it is so much more than all of that. We have a media that is disinforming us, and to be a free country we need the opposite and we con’t have it except with people banging away at their keyboards. But without a strategy we are all dead in the water.

      • Gosia

        Yes. We were in Warsaw pact (irony), almost in the the middle of European possess of Rusia. It was told that we can’t free of Russia influences because of force balance damage.
        Do you know that we elected our kings since XIV century? But democracy was our strength and weakness as well. There was no religious war in my country. Each one could find his own place.Well I’m not good in analysing society structure throughout ages but I think there was a great part of people even poor but on their own. We are between West and East and we are paying our bill.If you are a Pole you have to balance between romanticism and positivism (freedom of soul and heart against work on foundations). The first words of our hymn are (free translation): “Poland is not dead yet, as long as we are alive”.
        Well, I’m flying away…
        About people behaviour – Is it about a way of raising?, About traditions? You know we have a very strong tradition – at Christmas Eve there must be a free place set at the table for a stranger who might have come.
        Well world is changing so quickly. We have to learn how to learn oneselves, how to doubt and put questions.
        Here so many people was accused unfairly, we used to doubt. It can change but not for my generation. Anyway it’s a human privilege to doubt since Adam ate apple in Eden Garden. It’s important to learn children that doubting is nothing wrong. It’s a process of thinking.
        You say media is misinforming people. I’m accustomed to it.
        You know (I’m laughing inside), my daughter when she was quite a child seeing an TV advertisement said to me: It must be no good, they advertise it too hard.
        All the time we have to fight for our freedom – freedom of information and choices.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I was reading Sienkiewicz the summer I was 16 and had my first job. And it made a lasting indentation. Perhaps the Foucauldian word is better: inscription. Right after I read Quo Vadis and because of him became a lifetime student of Roman history. I understand the fierce nationalism of Poles. Sandwiched between Scylla and Charybdis is always dangerous and confining. It has other benefits though.

        I don’t think staying at Gossip Cop Would be one of them IMO. As long as you resist them you make them stronger. If there is no opposition, they fold. The P{oles have excellent strategies for the historical situation they have always been in. They remained a light for freedom, for resistance. I have always found it amazing that the Warsaw ghetto held out longer than France by way longer than 4 days. This has never escaped the French who are still ashamed of it. At least those that are still alive from that time. It was not an accident that the invasion of Poland marked the beginning of War. And we owe this to Churchill and his integrity, and his “We will fight them on the seas, we will fight them in the air, we will fight them on land, and we will never surrender” speech and actions. England had sold itself off little by little under Chamberlain until they were at death’s door when they honored their treaty with Poland when Poland was invaded. The fact that Churchill was and old man at Yalta, a wise man who knew the English empire was broken over the war and crumbling, knew the great powers in the world were the US and Russia. Roosevelt was a very sick old man and Stalin was young, vigorous, ruthless and knew his strength. We betrayed Poland and Eastern Europe out of our own weakness personified by two old unhealthy men. It was not one of our best moments.

        Read and listen to Zizek. He is Slovenian. He knows all this. He is the supreme intellectual political activist of our time. Get to know him. He will teach you how to handle all those poisoned sheep at Gossip Cop. Even the name is a “floating sign” of dissimulation.

      • Gosia

        I’m glad you know Sienkiewicz “Quo Vadis”, but he wrote much more amazing novels as “The Teutonic Knights” or the biggest one – “Trilogy” written as “sursum corda” novel. He was a polish corespondent in North America.
        If you want to know more about him here you are:
        http://www.culture.pl/web/english/resources-literature-full-page/-/eo_event_asset_publisher/eAN5/content/henryk-sienkiewicz

        Do you know that Josef Conrad (Józef Konrad Teodor Korzeniowski) wrote in polish (background) and after that in English?
        If you want to know his and his family history (common in Poland those days):
        http://www.culture.pl/web/english/resources-literature-full-page/-/eo_event_asset_publisher/eAN5/content/joseph-conrad-jozef-teodor-konrad-korzeniowski

        I’ve heard a lot about Zizek and his works, I’m interested in but now I have different targets I have to think about, believe me very important one and I have to focus on them.
        I hope you’ll stay on Crushable as I love to read your’s posts not mention talking with you.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Any targets you have Zizek will help. Think better with Zizek.

      • Gosia

        I have to put my life in order.
        I think I will change my profession (once again). I’m getting back closer to what I was learning about (in baby steps). Now I’m working in DTP (desktop publishing) but I’m electronics specialist. Friend of mine is electrical engineer. She’s making projects. I have to renew my knowledge to take “a little things” from her.I don’t know if I’ll be successful but I have to renew my knowledge of math and physics and I’m thinking about Warsaw Technical University (electrician department) well it’s not easy but 17 years ego I passed exams at electronics department on 8th position (almost 200 involved). I given up studying because of child (in one year she had 5 serious diseases) I think she missed me and it was very deep. Now she is adult and I wanna to do this – study to become an engineer. Well I have a few more things to do but they are more private.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        It’s not either / or. You can put your life in order and still read some Zizek. Everything will get better, because clearer, when you read him.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Not her job to convince Rob about Nick. That’s our job. Herzog is next and he is the greatest of them all. http://moviesandfilm.blogspot.com/2012/09/herzog-jungle-is-obscene-rob-pattinsons.html?zx=24ba3dbaa1696303 See how he reads sin!

      • lillicat

        The GC article today on Kris is pretty weird.

      • Gosia

        I’ve tried to post on GC yesterday evening after Nena and help her with arguing but my post has been thrown out and my other post has been abused. You know my posts. There is never hate, curse. I try not to be cruel so why my post was abused?

      • nena

        there were so many posts blocked yest but at first you could still click on them and read them but none of the ones it was blocking were bad, it was crazy over there yesterday,

      • nena

        i do agree with some of what you said. It still could be PR even if the camps are sending out different stories, what better way to screw with the media? I hope this hasnt been a fake romance because if so the fans even the dumb fan girls/women will figure that out and will be pissed I hope. I agree that BD2 didnt need any help and if this PR stunt was to break up their fake romance its vay to extreme just to break up. So IDK just getting tired of it

      • Petranella

        If it really was a fauxmance–I know that so many people will be angry upset and feel duped. Absolutely!

      • nena

        Me for one

      • Gosia

        And me

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Not to worry. It wasn’t. But there is a problem with the Tristan and Iseult legend, and that is as De Rougemont says, “Marry Iseult?” The entire legend is centered around keeping them apart so they can long for each other. Internal obstacles and external obstacles. Only in Death will they be reunited for ever. And that is what Meyer has obeyed. Bella dies into immortality in Virtual Reality, and that’s the dirty little secret that Stephenie has honored and brilliantly adhered to. I mean endless sex as a vampire with no consequences, no risk of death, endless fucking and eroticism and no satisfaction as we have been told about Emmett and Rosalie. Until they just stop.

        And this is what happens in marriage. Looked at from behavior therapy, two people sexually attracted to each other are constantly in living situations that have nothing to do with sex or erotisism: emptying the idshwasher, taking out the garbage, getting up in the night for a sick child, walking the dog, going to work, all acts in the Order of Production. All leading to desensitization of sexual longing and desire. No lack/no desire. He is always there even when he is shitting on the toilet. She is always there even when she is sick in bed with a runny nose and a cough.

        So we have two people living together becoming desensitized to the erotic possibilities and longing of the other. “Take a vacation, a romantic getaway”, say the ads. Maybe that would work she says. Maybe we’ll fuck more he thinks if they go somewhere new. We can gt dressed up and go to a restaurant? And so on. But the reality is they have become desensitized to each other. Just as you must become desensitized to a fear, a loss other, elevators, bridges, strange places, etc which you go to the therapist to cure yourself of. Are you really curing yourself of those other fears? When what you have done is desensitized yourself to love and intimacy. Conditioning works both ways you know.

        A tool is another man’s weapon. Bane in The Dark Knight Rises

        Foucault details this in Discipline and Punish, Madness and Civilization, The Birth of the Clinic, and my favoirte the Abnormal Lectures at the College de France 1974-75.

      • Gosia

        Yes, those first years of fascination pass but there is a rescue just because of friendship, better researching, dipper understanding other person. Both people changes it can be exciting. Desensitizing is an each-day love but we have holidays from time to time or can have a break for a while to shape up our senses.
        Sting says in his songs: I burn for you, Be still my beating heart or You still touch me.

        (Is there any Sting fans?)

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Sting has been married a long time to his wife. Some can do it. But the entire system is against it. That can make it stronger for some. The older you get the fewer couples you see that are older are still interested in each other and in life. I can’t talk to any of my peers most of the time. But then I rarely could. But oh those few in my life. Such treasures.

      • lillicat

        Oh yes, always. And if you can marry your best friend, you will still have the friendship to fall back on when life gets in the way of romanticism.

      • Gosia

        Yes, that’s what I meant

      • pcardax

        I appreciate your post because it is looking for a new ways of looking at
        the facts from the effect that this event causes about people and fans. Me, too
        often it seemed that PR of R and K have not worked in a coordinated manner.
        I also speculate if the PR know what they are doing. At present the relationship between R and K is such that anything can happen (by marriage and a baby, to divide the day after the premiere of Breaking down). It ‘s like the PR attempted to repeat the old Robsten (are or are not a couple?), while the public now wants certainty about the nature of their relationship, and expects greedy any rumors from twitter and more. And of course there is a strong desire to see them together
        openly as a pair (proof that the eternal love of Bella and Edward exists).
        I was impressed by the words of a post on Gossip Cop, words that describe very well the expectations of the fans at the premiere:

        “The BD2 promo will be one of the most scrutinized in the history. I can imagine
        When Taylor or any other cast member speaks, every journalist still looks at
        the interaction between R / K and Analyzes Their body language. I can not wait
        for the promos to start. It’ll be more fascinating than the movie itself ”

        We can do many considerations. I will only agree that these two young actors face a negative image in the long run if their final separation will not be able to
        dispel the doubt that their couple is false. And they can not be honest without
        blowing the situation. The most likely option is that we will see them in love.
        Only time will tell if they deserve an Oscar (since their show is expected more
        of the same film) or if you really love each other. Will still be convincing
        for a period of time that will go at least to a good result of sales of the
        DVD. There are a lot of money at stake, not just the box office (the film will see
        fans but also “ordinary” people) and the DVD, but also all the
        merchandising loved by fans: DVD special edition with books, dolls, T-shirts,
        books movies, magazines, … I saw the photo of sheets and duvet with Jacob + Bella and Edward obviously embraced: that teenagers would buy them if K and R are not reconciled in a convincing manner?

      • Petranella

        Their body language and their interaction will be highly scrutinized during this tour. And you know they are aware of it too–Kristen has mentioned this before, she know she is being scrutinized in relation to Rob. so I just wonder if they will have a game plan, wing it, listen to PR advice or what?!
        I read a great comment “This is just like 2009-Are they or aren’t they together.” And this keeps the fans and now the larger public “thanks” to the scandal–ever fascinated.

      • nena

        I still think that if it is all PR then people will be able to tell just by their body language and face when they look at each other. They cant fake that

      • Petranella

        You mean people will be looking to prove they are a “fauxmance” Yes I do think so but not until you mentioned it. There are many who say that so they will be gauging that as well.

      • nena

        Yeah, and the thing is most stupid fan girls wont know what to look for. They will want to see alot of PDA which wont happen, That isnt them, its the looks and suttle touches they do.

      • Petranella

        They might not be doing that this time.

      • nena

        the fan girls or RP an KS?

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I would advise them to be very polite and proper with each other. No give aways.

      • Petranella

        I know what you mean.

      • Petranella

        I hope so but I wonder nena. anyway they seem to be on separate coasts at present.

      • Petranella

        the first part of your theory— if indeed Rob and Kris’ people are cooperative with different sites and bloggers, then their relationship will most definitely get sucked into the Hollywood machine as much as they would prefer to avoid it. I don’t think I am convinced that either Lainey or GC truly know very much. if anything.

        Then, I want to say that Rob out on his own a few times sans Kristen, making many people wonder why including the nervous shippers as you say,To the fans, a sighting is pretty rare so it is a huge deal. And it gets exaggerated but in reality it is only a very small slice of the day. Where is he or she or they the rest of the time. Niether are spotted out and about much.
        I read a tweet from someone who suggested that Kristen will probably not be out in public for a long time in an “uncontrolled environment.” Tiff and Paris were both very controlled environments and work related.
        LAX was not a controlled environment, and we can see how that went despite the fact that it could have been much worse but probably due to the presence of body guards. So we can say it was a semi- controlled environment,

        And lastly This couple has a history of not confirming nor denying either verbally or with their actions exactly what their romantic status is. Like another tweeter said We are back to square one like 2009 and 10. What they meant was for a long time they left everyone wondering: Are they or are they NOT together? From this question many different factions arose.
        It is really weird.

      • nena

        What is the last sentence

      • lillicat

        I have a question. Did France pass laws controlling the papz after Princess Di was killed? I ask because Kris was actually smiling, and the papz did not rush her and scream things at her like the do here.

      • Petranella

        Good question. France did pass laws but I don’t know exactly when. if I recall correctly it was in correlation with Princess DI. Not %100 sure.

      • nena

        I know it was thought but dont know if it happened, to bad we dont have on here

      • Petranella

        There are some laws in California, but paparazzi reform is looking to get the current laws to have more bite.

      • nena

        hopefully it wont take someone dying to chane it!

      • Petranella

        NO sh*t! that is what people are worried about–the papz drive around LA like maniacs.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Socially accepted violence.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        That’s what it always takes. Outrage.

      • nena

        I hope not!!

      • lillicat

        Do you know when this will come up for a vote? I hope it’s soon.

      • Chancellor

        @Aitch Slavis: They did pass laws after the Di incident. Haley Berry threatened to move to France because the paps were chasing her to get pictures of her daughter. TMZ said that if Kate Middleton was in the US when the pictures of her were taken then she would not have had the right to sue the tabloid or stop the release of the pictures like she had in France. I think the paps in France try to get around the laws but there are more in place then there is in the US. France from what I have heard is the only country with privacy laws against the paps. I don’t know why what the paps do could not be considered stalking and why the courts want prosecute them for stalking? Wonder if KS will move to France?

      • Petranella

        I don’t think KS will move to France but I wish she could get at least a part time place there–or somewhere outside of LA. It seems that way to me to take off some pressure, but who knows it may not be possible now.

      • Gosia

        I think she will tail Robert for a while – Australia, North Africa, Middle East

      • Petranella

        We will see if that happens! Someone else on here thinks so too.

      • lillicat

        I hope she does. Maybe they will get a part time place in England.

      • lillicat

        Why don’t the hotels and restaurants keep the papz at bay off their property? It would encourage the celebrities to frequent their businesses. Like SoHo House does. Anyone getting caught taking a pic or tweeting about celebs in there is banned from coming back.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Americans are barbarians. France has strong unions and professional standards for the most part. Diana’s death was in a tunnel, not so carefully observed. If you notice the behavior of the waiters in Paris, they are completely professional. No groveling, smiling, asking you how is your meal, interrupting your conversation to ask if there is anything else they can get you. Just good professional service, gratuity automatically included in the check so they don’t have to play buddy buddy and suck up to you to get a good tip.

      • lillicat

        I loved the wait staff in Paris. They were so proud to be the best. It was amazing to see. Many of them had generations of this type of work. The food was wonderful too. BTW, my husband, his business associate, and I passed through that tunnel going the opposite direction 10 minutes before Princess Di’s car entered it. We were flying back to the states the next morning, and my husband kept it from me so I wouldn’t get distracted. I found out from the flight attendants after boarding.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        That was a close one.

      • lillicat

        Yes, it was. It made me sick that a couple of the papz were taking pictures of Princess Di as she lay dying. These people have no ethics at all. It was right after this that I heard that France passed the law dealing with papz abuse of celebs.

      • JS

        Lainey and GC only know what they’re told but they have access to people they trust from the respective camps and that puts them way ahead of the majority of sites that are just relaying or making stuff up (you have to get your hits somehow, right?). If their contacts lie to them or plant stories, they will be embarrassed, but a good PR merchant won’t do that too often to a friendly outlet (the friendliness can easily be withdrawn after all).

      • nena

        I think that the truth is intwined with what story they want released that day. “the people” give them what they want told or debunked.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Perfect.

      • Petranella

        And conversely the PR to the “stars” can withdraw any kind of leaks to the outlet but hhhmm well we will see I guess. Lainey now, apparently insists the couple are back on–I didn’t read it myself.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Yes. They are reporting what they are fed. And if they want to keep getting fed they won’t interpret or alter the message. As Stephen Cobert said at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner: your job is to type it and hand it in. That’s all. Listen, type, hand it in. You don’t have to think. Just do it.

      • JS

        I agree that they report what they are fed with the spin provided. But for their sources to feed them something that does not correspond with reality (at a level of approximation acceptable to the audience), will cost credibility, the lifeblood of sites of that nature. Lainey and GC claim that what they peddle has more basis in fact than what is found on the more mainstream tabloids or discussion sites. If they are seen to be giving obvious bum steers, their audience will bleed and with it their usefulness to the sources feeding them. A relationship like that has to have an element of symbiosis; if it is purely parasitic, it can’t survive for long.
        Interestingly, Lainey emphatically confirmed the reconciliation again yesterday “They’re together. It’s legit.” That’s what?, her 4th assertion of a real (i.e. non PR) reunion, with the room for manoeuvre diminishing on each occasion and not a little gloating on her part (“you heard it here first”) to burn her bridges even more ostentatiously. She’s being quoted all over at the moment and portrayed as the one with the inside scoop. If it’s not true, there is going to be a price for her to pay in terms of serious egg on the face and, if I were Lainey and that happened, I’d be more than a little pissed with the faulty source and, by extension, with Kristen herself.

      • nena

        I dont know about LG but GC it seems to write conflicting stories every other day, one day “They are back together” the next day “Rob makes demands, not sure he cxan trust her” then “KS texting RS should she stop” so they are full of crap

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Yes and no. We are living in a fast food everything now. Their sources are not direct with persons of internal integrity, as they also have an agenda. Their “material” cannot be separated from what it is they do. So how much spin can I put on this Becomes the norm. Then it’s like a box of chocolates as Forrest would say,and the embroidering begins until there is too much on the tablecloth and it falls by its own weight. But people can’t remember anything thee days, so it will be forgotten and they can begin again. IMO they were never apart. But that’s just my speculation. And that would make the job one of desensitizing the fans to the fact that they broke up, but gluing them back together again so as to accept them as a coupld again. Whereby it could be real and it could be faux. The beauty of it is we can never know for sure. A blessing.

      • Gosia

        Yeh… blessing.
        But tell me you think they weren’t apart even for those first days?
        Could you share it, what do you think happened then?

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Truly I don’t know any more than you. Now It’s just down to individual speculation and fantasy which is exactly where I wanted it to be. No one knows anything, so she did or she didn’t, Rob did or he didn’t, etc. This is what makes it possible now for them to be open about being together, because Rob may or may not have felt humiliated depending on what you believe. For every crazy fangirl who wants to stone her for cheating, there’s another one to say the pictures are fake, didn’t you see that video? It’s a variation on what Taylor Swift did about the deaf school. You embrace the oppisite and turn it into the “whole” so you are no longer caught in he said, she said, I am right you are wrong, but in a whirlwind big or small. This is the philosophy behind Tae Kwan Do. You use your opponent’s strength against them. It works. the Chinese have done this to the US. Ai Wei Wei does it against the Chinese govt. The Bible does it with David and Goliath.

      • Gosia

        Well I understand you don’t talk about possible facts. You want all possibilities shred to pieces. Each one has his piece, “audience” is not focused on one target – she cheated, he is humiliated. Target – “affair” is annihilated. There are “tons” of opinions as it was before so it’s as nothing has happened.
        OK finding out what’s happened can have worst consequences than messing with peoples minds.
        You know what does it lead to – in this way nothing would be ever explained
        Yes I don’t need explanation

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Exactly. That’s how you make it disappear. Nietzsche and Baudrillard through Nietzsche. This is all we have now to fight them with. I am talking about the state, the system, which perpetuates violence on us and then imprisons those who retaliate with violence.

      • lillicat

        I truly believe they were never apart also. 2-3 nights ago I ran across a Youtube video that showed them leaving LAX on the day the pics were released, but they split off and went to different gates. Not one word has been said about this. You would this someone would be all over it. Not one person tweeted they saw them on the flights. I immediately thought they went separate directions to meet at the same destination. It sounds good, at least. I have not been able to find it again.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I read that and the reference to youtube was mentioned. How would anyone know it was on that date tho?

      • lillicat

        It looked like CCTV, and it had the date and time in the corner.It was not a typical Utube video with music, etc.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Could the date and time have been photoshopped in? Was it an official pic or a papz pic. Had to have been a pap pic. Had to. Can’t believe what they say. they have thousands of them in the LA airport to choose from. IF they did that is.

        Can’t find this: Is Maradith Frenkel of Universal production related to Nick Frenkel Rob’s manager?

      • lillicat

        Anything is possible. It was a video that appeared to be scanning a large area with date/running time in red like a CCTV camera would. No voice over, music or anything. There was a caption that said something like RP&KS leaving LAX same time dif gates.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Good. Now where did it go? Did it get bought in order to suppress it? With me you have credibility. If you tell it on twitter they are going to want to see PROOF. See the difference.

        Can’s find it now? I am beginning to see the need for downloading when we come across these things.

      • lillicat

        Me too.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Someone wanted to make sure people would not be able to interpret that they were together. Who? Why”

      • lillicat

        Can someone go on You Tube and just remove a video? Do they have to notify the maker of the video? How does this work? I’m sure there are undesirable videos on You Tube, like the one that had the link on GC. That was downright slanderous to Kris and Rob. I just heard a poster on the Kristen GC board say that a Guy took a pic of RP taking a leak in the men’s room at the IIFF dinner in NY and POSTED IT ON You-Tube. Please! Is this what we have lowered ourselves to?

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        youtube has a partner’s program that is MLM. You must be sponsored by someone (s?) who has already made partner. 1, 2, 3? IDK. then you put up videos and you must get x number of hits to become partner. This allows you to put up advertising clips before videos, you know the ones that run for x seconds before you see what you want. Then u can make money

        Never mind my bf said that 3 flags on you tube and you tube will pull it. That’s where it went.

      • lillicat

        Oh. I hope that jerk that did the video saying all the slanderous, nasty things about Kris to Rob got flagged and pulled!!!! I got off the site so fast I forgot to flag it.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        It’s weird because the Hollywood Discourse of romancing couples has a template to follow. It is in the Order of Production. You do and say certain things, dress a certain way, go to certain events. Nick Fenkel, Rob’s manager, has had Rob doing those things alone: out with his buds, 2 charity events, hobnobbing with money people in a suit, all of which has Frenkel’s fingerprints all over it as does the little be nice note at Gossip Cop yesterday. He has been reading those of us who are on to him and saying so. The “Reese his dear dear friend from Water For Elephants has offered him her secluded estate to recuperate in and be sheltered.” Ha ha ha. Then last week was it, almost on the heels of his stay there, a big spread in E that her house is up for sale! Well, whaddya know. All that free advertising worth untold amounts of money she got for free. and we all know Reese is one smart financial cookie. And that one had Nick Frenkel, Rob;’s manager’s fingerprints all over it. Frenkel is also the trustee of a trust that bought Rob’s house in LA. WTF does a manager know about high finance. A jack of all trades eh is Nick Frenkel, Rob’s manager? Please dear god, just let me get him to listen to me so he will see it’s to his advantage to do studio movies with big paychecks and not those silly Dronenberg ones that tank at the box office. And he may have a point with the Cronenberg, although Rob’s performance was very good even though the movie was impossible to understand because Cronenberg didn’t understand it, wouldn’t let his actors understand it, so neither the reviewers nor the audience could understand it. and even I was confused until I saw it twice and thought about it seriously. Disclosure: I have worked on it 1 1/2 years and written 70 different readings of it and presented a paper on it at a DeLillo symposium in NYC.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        First, you are talking about team KS and team RP people. You are not talking about the brightest bulbs in the box with either of them. Taylor Swift can run them over with a toy car. Or beat them up with a Barbie doll. Kristen herself has been perfect. Not a flaw in anything she has done or said. But she is not handing out PR even if her team is doing damage control. Rob is controlled by Nick Frenkel, his manager, who is a PR moron. Anyone who ever let him go to the NYSE and smile adoringly at Cronenberg while he rang the opening bell saying fuck you to Occupy and Rob’s entire educated and politically aware generation, their families, their friends, professors making a career out of Don DeLillo’s literature, and anyone else with liberal, neo liberal or radical political sympathies, did far more damage to Rob’s image than anything foisted on Kristen Stewart by manipulated photos. If she had been caught naked in the grass fucking Sanders, she would not have done as much damage as that NYSE ringing in while Rob’s manager Nick Frenkel sat smiling in the crowd. The least someone could have done was tell Rob and tick off the consequences. One of which was a stake in the heart of Don DeLillo that he can’t pull out.

    • Peony

      Dont break your heads.Its pure common sense that those two were never together.The photos were doctored to engineer the great breakup .Because of the backlash Kristen is still getting maybe they are trying to project a reunion.I dont have anything against Robert but from the way this whole drama has unfolded i can say this for sure,he is a fair weather friend.Kristen hopefully has some true friends to stand by her in times of need.

    • dawn

      My first instinct is that they never dated and the scandal is a way to end the fake relationship. I was a ferm believer in robsten so that says alot. There is another theory I can’t quite dismiss yet. What if rob and Kristen are trying to get revenge on the tabloids. If they announce this at one of the premieres the media would look like fools and they might think it will make things right with the fans too. I don’t think even that would fix everything. Either way I think, they used their fans. That can’t ever be fixed. Thoughts anyone? Would love some feed back please.

      • Tryin to figure it all out

        Like you, I never thought they were really dating. I don’t know why they cooked up this whole scheme, but I do believe the photos are real, as in, not Photoshopped. It’s easier for me to believe they concocted the whole thing than it is for me to believe those photos have been altered. (I think I’m in the minority on that one!)
        Anyway, I don’t think anyone’s going to come out and admit any part of it was fake, for the reasons you stated. It wouldn’t fix anything and it would make the fans feel used. And if KS thinks there’s backlash now, imagine how her fans would feel if she admitted to manipulating them that way! Yikes! But, you never know. She might just decide she’s had enough and go on Letterman and confess it all. Something like, “We were just trying to see how far the media would take this…blah blah blah.” That sort of thing.

      • lillicat

        Like Arnold did ?

      • Tryin to figure it all out

        I’m not sure what you’re referencing. What did Arnold do? All I know is that he wrote a “tell all” book.

      • lillicat

        He went on a talk show. I recognized the woman interviewer, but can’t remember her name ( may be the one from 60 min). I saw the interview on “ShowBiz Tonite”. He totally came clean on his affair with the housekeeper, admitted he had been supporting her, and that the child was his. He said he really screwed up, and that he was hoping to reconcile with Maria. Blah, Blah—-

      • nena

        We talked about this before also and this could be it, one of Jenni’s articles is titled this. Also out there is all of this is for a documentary about the media, how it lies and about peoples reactions

      • lillicat

        I for one who not be offended if it was to get back at the tabs and the papz. What offends me is how the so called fans have treated Kris and Rob to an extent. I read somewhere recently that he said his ultimate goal is to have a production company, that it is too traumatizing being an actor.

      • nena

        I won’t be upset if it is too get back at the media. I could see both getting out of acting, she can write and direct movies he can have is company

      • Gosia

        Please, don’t

      • nena

        What?

      • Gosia

        I would love them acting

      • lillicat

        Oh yes, and ABC has been made to look like a fool for the “Cameras don’t Lie” expose’. on Kris and those dumb pics after the video came out that showed how the “pics” were photoshopped.

    • http://twitter.com/andif_only Ulanda

      I honestly think Kristen has a lot of growing up to do. She pulled this same stunt with her old BF Mike. Her & Rob starting sleeping together during the 2nd movie, shuting out Nikki who until that time was dating Rob & BFF with Kristen. Nikki was upset & called Mike who she was friends with, they had done Lords of Dogtown together & told him what was going on. Mike called Kristen, Kristen claimed there was no sex, but Mike dumped her. Kristen they conforted Nikki! Seriously, Kristen was sleeping with her BFF’s boyfriend, then got upset with the BFF. Nikki told Kristen & Rob they deserved each other and she was done with them both.

      • nena

        how do we know that they did have sex before MA broke up with her?

      • lillicat

        We do not. And it was years ago. People are beating a dead horse. Yes- Iseult and Tristan.

      • nena

        Yep circles

      • lillicat

        MA was a horny teen-aged boy, and he was already trolling for other girls before Kris and Rob. Rob was smitten before he even started dating her. That is common knowledge. I’m not knocking MA- I don’t even count that relationship. Typical teen-aged, whatever, just a springboard to the next type of relationship.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Rob was smitten when he saw her in Into the Wild, before he ever met her. Iseult calling to Tristan.

      • Guest

        Maybe that is part of the problem. He fell in love the “the image”

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Iseult is part of a powerful legend. In the 12th century men used to sail the sea to a faraway land where tales of a beautiful and virtuous woman were told. I mean really. We have their names. One died after he had gotten there and seen her. As the song goes. The troubadours would sing of these women and men would fall in love. In Into the Wild, Kristen was her own troubadour. I have gotten 100 hits on that for every one of Rob Pattinson. The legend is alive and well and Stephenie uncovered its passion again. It lives on in Western Civilization and nowhere else.

      • nena

        she was 13 when they met!! young

    • JUST NO

      This no sex story is to go along with the ” Kristen and Rupert never had sex” so their will be no Pregnancy story later on. I believe they are done but is was not fake because i still believe Ted when he said that RP and K stew have an odd relationship.

      • ss

        My only question is…If RP and KS had this “odd” relationship (I read the awful truth for years, so I know what your talking about),why would RP be mad at all? Or even “hurt”if anything? Maybe, because the fact of the person was married with a family? That is the ONLY reason I can think of. Maybe even a little bit to do with $$? Who knows… Just speculating here. Maybe I don’t want to know, actually lol

      • nena

        I asked this same question a while ago and was told that if they do have an open relationship most people would not understand so they would not want that out. So all his hurt etc was just to keep people in the dark if this is what their relationship is.

      • lillicat

        The odd relationship has been alluded to by both of them. Rob has called them his “flirts”, I think. Last year during the blond fiasco (forgotten her name already, but Kris was in London and said that the girl was a friend of hers and that they were apart for long periods and that it was understandable,etc……. ) There was never any proof that anything physical happened with the blond. Met up at a bar and left with her and some other people. So my gut tells me that they have an understanding when they are apart but there is to be no emotional intimacy with anyone other than the two of them. Does that make sense to anyone? That is what I gleamed from Rob’s”lain with others” dialogue in the Sept BB interview.

      • nena

        But I would think there would be more pics for both. I wonder how often it happened? I wonder if that will change? Also if they have that kind of relationship what was all this about the cheating? I know I gave the poster the answer but could it be to keep the open relationship quiet?

      • lillicat

        Yes, maybe you said this- people in other parts of the country might think this type of relationship odd; but I doubt it’s odd in their situation. This is just guessing. I do know that open relationships can evolve and only work if it’s agreeable with both partners. But what confuses me is that both of them seem to be jealous and a little possessive of each other. Now maybe that is for show, who knows. Didn’t he haul ass over to England to be by her side when Kris hurt her hand with the sword and had to go to the ER?

      • nena

        Yes also it just seems strange that if you love someone why do u need one nite stands?

      • lillicat

        Well, this was in the context of being apart for months at a time. I do know they were going back and forth to visit each others’ sets. I have never paid any attention really, but I don’t think I’ve seen these things written when Kris is in town.

      • nena

        but come on think of the military people who are away for a year!!! If they are both working then its not like they are sitting at home bored,and they did go see each other quite a bit. oh well not my concern

      • lillicat

        Me either- just thinking about what TC could have meant by statements like “odd relationship”.

      • nena

        I can’t imagine he has said that he is in a relationship 100 percent

      • lillicat

        “He” meaning Rob? A year or so ago, he made that statement talking about relationships in general as in when I am in a relationship, I’m in it 100%. Now I’m not saying I believe he is trolling for all these women the tabs try to hook him up with. You guys know how they do the actors/actresses. Anyone they talk to becomes a new love interest. Rob was asked what his picks were for the MTV awards, and one of the picks was Ri Ri. It wasn’t 4 days that one of the rags had her tweeting him. As in the twitlonger link above!
        I am going to look for this statement Rob made on a U-tube video interview. It was at Cannes after OTR. I cannot remember the whole thing except the ending. “—–Kris is just phenomenal, she is so strong and sticks by her beliefs, and she is all mine.” I am astounded given how low key they both are with each other to hear him say this. I think its great, but I would really like to hear the whole thing again.

      • nena

        Yeah let me know if u find it!!

      • JS

        Don’t know about a video but there’s a report of an interview he gave at Cannes in this Greek mag (interview was pre-scandal, article is post): http://www.tovima.gr/vimagazino/interviews/article/?aid=476524
        If it’s authentic, he is quoted as saying “I’d die for Kristen” and “I want her. She is mine”. You can try Google translate if you don’t read Greek but the results are, well, Google translatey… Whatever, this isn’t my stereotypical picture of a faux (or open) relationship…I’m just saying!

      • nena

        i agree, TC from what I hear likes to mess with peoples heads,

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        But you can always do what Taylor Swift does, and mess back with their heads.

      • nena

        so lets do it, what should we do?

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Let’s think on it, baby, baby let me think on it, to quote Meatloaf.

        Nick Frenkel is next.

      • nena

        OMG I love that song great to dance to at a wedding when you are drunk

      • Chancellor

        @nena: Maybe when Ted C said odd relationship he was meaning a relationship where two young people are committed to one another and there is no cheating going on. I guess that would seem odd in HW. I just read that Kristen is Catholic too. If Rob has been a practicing Catholic and so was Kristen then maybe they uphold the Catholic beliefs. This might be the reason it took her mother two years to get a divorce. It had to be sanctioned by the Vatican. After reading about Rob’s suppose beliefs he discussed in several interviews they sound traditional rather than something an open relationship would have. If he can express beliefs like he has and then do the opposite of what he has said then I don’t get the relationship at all except maybe it is fake which I am finding it now hard to believe. A person who does not believe in cheating I would think would say having sex (with or without emotions) with other women was a form of cheating even if their partner told them they could do it. The guilt would eat them up if they didn’t believe in cheating. How could you say you loved someone dearly and be sleeping with other people for physical pleasure. This goes against most religious beliefs and certainly Catholic beliefs. If he really was 100% committed to her then he wouldn’t be sleeping around even if he had permission. I have not seen or heard of KS doing anything like this over the years even when she was with MA she waited a year before dating RP if their relationship is true.

      • nena

        Could be. I just read today where KS said she has traditional values, and wants a baby sometime. It was from a while ago. I just cant see that its fake, in that interview I think it was you who found she said about not letting people control her.

      • Gosia

        I don’t know if he is sleeping around. It’s not his fault he’s told to hook up with each alive female being in Hollywood and not only.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        I really doubt very much that he is. He isn’t the type.

      • Gosia

        Agree

      • lillicat

        I agree too.

      • JS

        I completely agree with you. I think a relationship where the two particpants think one another more important than their careers is beyond odd in HW, which is why the natural tendency in this environment is to interpret K & R’s every move now in terms of PR. I don’t know if either of these guys is religious in any way or not but Rob’s views on relationships seem to me to be at the traditional end of traditional. I don’t think he would want to share a woman he loved under any circumstances. Kristen doesn’t really strike me as a promiscuous type either, despite the incident, which I suspect was much more out of character than cynics are assuming. From occasional anecdotes, I think she’s probably a much more decent person than her public image would suggest, but she’s (been) a bit immature, she struggles with her fame and has no idea how to handle the press. She gets that the media are amoral and vicious but also that every actor/actress needs them and she can’t seem to cope with the cognitive dissonance that entails. What Rob sees in her as a person and what the world sees through the media lens are undoubtedly very different, which is why so many of his fans don’t get it at all. The celebrity zone is a crazy world where money and fame trump love and loyalty every time. Most people who live in it (happily?) embrace that, but these two don’t seem comfortable there at all. I’m not sure they’ll be willing to make the sacrifices they will probably need to if they want to stay! If Kristen is as smart as I think she is, under that awkward exterior, she will have learned a fundamental lesson over the last two months about what really matters in life and, if I were her just now, I think I’d seriously be wondering if HW is worth the candle.

      • Gosia

        Beautiful post. Thanks.
        So many posts I’ve read today is shimmering and glittering with good thoughts and words.
        Here is my motto – each of us has a child inside, no matter how old we are. Don’t let this child die before our death and try to see another person’s child as well.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        For JS since I cannot follow JS – the realation of car and relationship is lovely. Robert Wilson did a wonderful performance piece with a brain damaged boy he turned into an artists. I saw the piece they did called The Dollar Value of Man. The boy was Christopher Knowles and his parents had taken him backstage to meet Wilson after one of Wilson’t Operas. Knowles went around tape recording conversations and then retaping them together to form new conversations and he played them for Wilson who loved htem and that’s how they met and became partners. In The $ Value of Man there were endless relations like the one JS just made about car/relationship : Is a starving child in Africa worth more than …..sorry I forget, but the audio tape in the performance went on and on with these while sufi dancers spun around and around (like in DeLillo’s Cosmopolis) and the audience walked through the performance and danced also. It was so thrilling to be there. And afterwards Chrisopher Knowles moved into a loft in the artists’ district in NYC and had friends in for Thanksgiving Dinner. His parents were astonished at his new life. And happy of course. He did a paper piece I saw somewhere in an exhibit of the subway stations in NYC and may have been a performance piece. IDK. Nice story I thought you would like JS.

      • lillicat

        Good post! I did not know what religion if any Kris was. This really could explain our questions about the term “odd relationship”. Rob has said that people talk about him all the time so he has just quit worrying about it. I don’t remember ever reading anything about Kris having any type of romantic relationship when she was away from Rob, even at the wrap parties. She was with everyone. Yes, a totally committed relationship would be “odd” for TC.

      • nena

        which i think is so very sad,!!!

      • Gosia

        Probably it’s what some people call “odd relationship” – that it’s so deep mentally and physically. They need each other with all their senses.

      • lillicat

        Thank you!!

      • nena

        I posted before but who knows where it went. I reread the BB article and when he said the lain coment I thought he was talking about before KS cuz he said smiling and writing songs for KS

      • lillicat

        I don’t know, Nena. The early You Tube videos of Rob, and interviews show a shy, insecure guy. I could be wrong, but I got the impression he was giving no timeline. It was an article you had to squint your eyes and try to read into the double meanings.
        What’s going on? My up-dates today for R&K have the rags chattering that Kris’ mom is in the middle of the relationship now. Hah! I am not clicking on the sites to give them hits. They can suck it up. Was just over at GC. They did what they threatened and deleted a bunch of posts that had been flagged, but for a time allowed you to open the blocked post iot read it. Hummm—

      • nena

        I read the article yest and tried to post then but my comp was being crazy so now I cant remember why I though so. I was over on GC today and i got called names, told to go back to the asylum stuff like that I was o nice back! It was fun! I guess RP is inNYC at the NYFF dont knw if KS is there or not

      • lillicat

        There was a post that she was there, but I got distracted by a twitter link that had photos of K&R in BD2 that are pretty hot! Maybe they are photoshopped, like some of the fanflics.

      • nena

        Were the pictures cool? I. Haven’t wanted to see many I want to be surprised I saw the post that KS was there I hope so another post said that KS was not invited to the dinner because the people fro OTR are ashamed of her, right, what is the dinner for??

      • lillicat

        That is just a hater. It has something to do with the industry in NY, but the Director for OTR was invited. If Tom S and the other OTR actors were included, there is no reason Kris would not have been. You know they are not ashamed of her. Someone said that Rob was there to support Kris. You need to go back and check out the link- I can’t wait for BD2!!!

      • nena

        Which link? People were saying that the tweets it was just Tom and rob but one said that sienna was there. One person said that Tom and sienna were walking around today holding hands and why wouldn’t rob do that

      • lillicat

        Where the posters are talking about the dinner, someone posted a link to a twitter that had some pictures of Rob & Kris. There were 2 pics from the vampire BD2 love scene during the first night at the cottage (supposedly). I haven’t seen these in any of the trailers. That is why I said they might be photoshopped as in some of the fan flics.

      • lillicat

        I have just checked out GC today, and I saw what you are saying. Gosia posted the You tube link to that beautiful, peaceful video, and it got removed as inappropriate. WTF. I know because at least for a time, you can pull up the comment before it is removed. There was another long post that had NO cursing, or threatening statements, and it was a post supportive or Rob and Kristen. It was flagged as inappropriate!!!! Uh Huh. Then all through the post there were abusive comments scattered with name calling and links to abusive, slanderous You Tube Videos that were left on the board. Now what does this say to you? It says that if a comment is flagged by a poster, it is automatically deleted without being moderated by GC. Therefore the haters must be flagging positive posts, and GC is allowing it.

      • nena

        wonder what we can do about that? I have a feeling it will happen to us alot, this dumb disqus is making me sign up all the time and right now it wont even click on, grrrrrr. well I hope you find this cuz it wont let me do it

      • lillicat

        I don’t seem to be having trouble with Disqus. Knock on wood. I have more trouble with Google Chrome. But I tolerate it because I like it as a search engine.

      • Lillicat

        Nena once you go through the registration process with Disqus, you will love it. It will recognize you at other sites, and remember your user name. It just takes a little time the first time.

      • JS

        It’s one thing to fake hurt, it’s another to leave her to twist in the wind! She went through hell in August (look at the state of her at TIFF) and he didn’t come to her rescue: that either makes him a bastard or too badly wounded himself to do so. I honestly do not believe this guy is a bastard. So he was indeed very badly hurt and that is not consistent with either a faux or an open relationship. I love conspiracy theories too by the way, but i still don’t believe the moon landings were faked or that the government are reverse engineering UFOs at Area 51

      • nena

        IDK maybe like others have said he cant do stuff in public, it would seem like telling people to forgive her or something would be ok. It does seem he has left her to flounder but maybe Summit is not letting him, oh IDK

      • JS

        That’s possible but I think she was in serious agony after the scandal broke and he baled. Personally I think a lot of that was because she thought she’d lost him but, of course, if their relationship was faux or open, that wouldn’t apply, so I guess it could just have been the embarrassment, humiliation and hate. Whatever it was, it took its toll: look at her weight loss, her distracted manner, her rambling answers and even her fear at TIFF. She was better in Paris but is still scared to go out in public. August was not a good month for Kristen!
        If he wasn’t really hurt (say, she’d just been unfortunately compromised doing something they’d agreed was fine) he could have helped take the heat off her. Asking fans to leave her alone would have been a start! Or even just making it clear he was coping fine himself. No PR stunt is important enough to let somebody suffer like that if you have the means to help them. The only morally acceptable reason for letting her flounder is that he wan’t coping fine, because he felt rejected, betrayed and hurt himself. He’d have to be pretty callous to let her swing if he was unhurt and, as I said, I don’t think this is a callous man.

      • Petranella

        Love your posts!

        I agree that Kristen was in serious agony throughout August (I am not a believer in the PR stunt theory except for one set up possibility) for all the reasons you mention plus-Kristen is very private person and had a private encounter (whatever her reasons for trysting with Sanders) go extremely public. Plus we know of her history with feeling “violated/psychologically raped” by the paparazzi. And who dealt her this (temporary) death knell–the papz! Then of course the public excoriation–like a modern day Scarlett Letter–she has been held up to public ridicule and scorn and contempt, slut shaming you name it–”Hohn” Germans have a word for it. Not to mention the GUILT she must have had knowing she hurt Rob but also the fact that he had to very soon go out and promote his film. I think her guilt was over whelming. I believe the psychological effects of all this on KS have really grossly underestimated. Losing the bf is what everyone has focused on, but it is so much more.

      • nena

        Yes I agree with everything here!!

      • lillicat

        I hope we are all still alive to see this if it is ever made into a movie written by Rob and Kris themselves.

      • Gosia

        I love your posts agree with everything and have nothing to add except that it’s a good abstract of what we figured out about this part of story.

      • nena

        This is why I have changed my thoughts on all 4 being in on the stunt. She looked sad and thin at TIFF, but I think they had talked and maybe back together by then, some said the reason he did well in his interviews in NYC was because she was in his room at the hotel and they had already made up. But then she could have been so upset at the hatred, he prob is also. I still wonder why the silence from him but maybe there is more we dont know. I dont think he is unfeeling person and is she was set up he would have come to realize that

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        And how might he feel if he first blamed her and didn’t trust her?

      • nena

        Definately

      • lillicat

        He would have felt really guilty for not seeing what we saw. He saw what Nick and the uproar wanted him to see.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        And just how long did it take you to see? And just how long did it take me to see? And just how long did it take Kristen to see? We are creatures of the Law of Contiguity. As predictable as horses turning at a particular fence post and throwing you if trained in at one fence post only.

        Yes, it’s me, but it isn’t me!

        And Nick Frenkel, Rob’s manager right there to egg him on and get him to split for a break to calm down. Get drunk with. Be his buddy buddy.

        If it went down that way which is only speculation. But those leaks of Rob going to Reese’s whether he did or not, had Mick Frenkel’s grubby footprints all over them. Perfect timing for some free advertising.

        The Foucauldian Grid tightens up. The interstices get closer together.

      • Guest

        I love your posts agree with everything and have nothing to add except that it’s a good abstract of what we figured out about this part of story.

      • Gosia

        What’s going on? It’s my post not guest
        (I’ve tried to move it to other place)

      • Gosia

        I think they were apart no longer than 7-10 days. We were talking about it while ago so I won’t do it again but for me it’s certain they were together before his Cosmopolis interviews.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        If he says something in public he enters the Order of Production. If he stays quiet he continues in the Order of Seduction. The power/knowledge/capital Foucauldian grid wants a statement. Then another. And another. And still another.

      • Petranella

        I think he was badly hurt and shocked and also very concerned about Kristen and I feel he may have been advised (or even ordered) to not say anything in public for Kristen’s own security. Hence giving the impression to many that he was leaving her to twist in the wind. I have read that Kristen was doing a lot of texting at TIFF whenever she could. Lainey is one who said that.

      • Petranella

        I think he could have been upset that the whole thing went down in public, hence; anger and upset–He would have reacted this way in an open relationship or even a fake one.

      • nena

        i read 2 stories one said he wanted her to make a public apology and the other said how mad he was that she did apologize in public? more contradiction

      • Petranella

        A lot of the Robsessors were so f*cking angry about the apology because of “Rob would never want his private life out in public” And I have many reasons I disagree but Abbeys books is one of the best in that Kristen took much of the shame upon her self with that apology therefore taking shame and heat off of Rob, and heaping it onto herself.

      • Tryin to figure it all out

        My feeling of Rob is that he is a very sensitive, gentle soul. Kristen, on the other hand, is rock solid. I don’t think she’s this ‘shrinking violet’ people want to think she is. She was raised in this business, I think she has a really thick skin and can take it, and give it back. I’m not saying she doesn’t feel anything, I just can’t see her falling to pieces over anything, actually.

      • Petranella

        I feel that Kristen is rock solid and also vulnerable. She is complex. I think she does not show the vulnerable side as much, altho she has. I still think that even the toughest bitch on the block, would have some strong difficulty with all the public slut shaming etc. that she has been through. Not to mention we know her history with disliking the paparazi.
        Also she was raised in the business but very working/middle class, not like a Tori Spelling showbiz upbringing–
        I do see KStew falling to pieces and imo she absolutely did. That is what the apology was about. But I absolutely see her rebounding and not staying down for long.

      • Chancellor

        I agree with you. I think a lot of the tough attitude we see her project is a mask to cover up her insecurities. If she was as tough as people think she is she wouldn’t get so nervous doing interviews and talking to reporters on the red carpet.

      • lillicat

        I thought she showed her vulnerable side in the OTR interview she gave with GH. She almost broke talking about first loves, but held it together. All the time she was turning the ring.

      • Petranella

        I am looking for that vid. if you can get your hands on it.

      • Gosia

        Yes she defended him this way from humiliation taking all guilt and carrying it herself.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        IF you have contradiction then you can have two opposing viewpoints spinning the air out of their mouths for a long time, maybe even hundreds of years, or thousands.

    • ss

      Just read Perez H ( Yes, I know already…That RP isn’t sure about his reconciliation with KS. And that his family and friends are against the idea (not new info or anything new), he thinks they are right at times. And then the rest of the story is blah, blah, blah.

      My point is, that now it seems that there are alot of conflicting reports on this reconciliation. More or less, the stories are RP isn’t sure about what he should do or wants too do. This plays perfectly into the “well we tried to work it out, but couldn’t” story, for later on (maybe after BD2 is over, or after the BD2 releases???)

      Besides, the reconciliation happening for PR reasons or not. Seems everyone is asking the question, was this scandal done for PR reasons?And/or mentioning the idea, of RP and KS relationship, was for PR. I am just saying, seems like I am reading alot more (than before the scandal), about their relationship being fake and/or being together only for PR purposes. IF the relationship was real (or is) , then the scandal and aftermath sure didn’t help them, as far as people thinking it was fake or whatever. Just my thoughts on what is happening lately….

      • JS

        Here’s an angle on how the tabloid sites generate their stories: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/jgf30n Nothing Perez or Radar or HWLife or any of the other tabloids say can be taken at face value. If a site doesn’t have an association with K or R’s teams, all you’ll get are rehashed and respun stories (remember the “Rob’s sisters will kill him” yarn from a few weeks ago?) or something any imaginative inventor could come up with (Rob’s doubts, no-sex therapy, pot plants, blah blah). It’s all about hits, nothing else!
        If you strip out all that tabloid noise, the only real ambiguity concerning the reconciliation is about how deep it’s gone and, reading between the lines, there are probably good reasons for that. Rob’s side are definitely signalling caution but, let’s be honest, when he is seen out and about, he seems a little relaxed to be a man struggling with his doubts. As for the PR stunt angle, if the relationship or the reconciliation are fake, with this level of scrutiny and cynicism in the fandom, the scam will inevitably be exposed when the dissolution occurs after BD2 and the consequences will be very negative for them both. I’m hoping any PR adviser with any sense would have seen that one coming and engineered an exit for all concerned before now, because at this point it’s really too late. The fact that this isn’t bothering anybody is yet another reason why I’m pretty confident that both relationship and reconciliation are completely real.

      • ss

        As much as I am skeptical, about everything. Believe it or not, I am really hoping that the relationship was real and that the reconciliation is real. I hope these two can get past this and move forward. They seemed genuinely in love. I’m not saying they had this amazing love story or anything like that. I wouldn’t know, because I don’t know them. And no one knows the depth of feelings ,they have for eachother. But anyways, that’s what relationships are about, overcoming things and not giving up when times are rocky. Everyone makes mistakes, STUPID ones at that. Wish those two the best.

      • lillicat

        What I liked is that they seemed to have a relationship on a higher plane than other kids their age. An understanding, if you will that one sees in people who have been married a long time. Both my older sons have been married 10 years and they are just now getting to this point.

      • nena

        Yeah seems they have alot in common. Which is why a open relationship seens strange for them

      • Petranella

        They always struck me as two people who would get along well even if they had not been cast together in a movie.

      • nena

        yes they have alot in common

      • lillicat

        I’ve said this before, so if I’m on repeat, forgive me. Kris has the strength in areas where Rob is weak,and Rob has strength in areas where Kris is weak. They seem to compliment each others personality and psyche.

      • lillicat

        Some of that “open relationship” talk could be just hype too, Look where it’s coming from- Ted C and PH. Jeeze. That said- if they are happy together and understand each other and not hurting each other; I really don’t care. Every generation has a definition of what is and is not acceptable in relationships.

      • nena

        Yes I don’t understand , my kids when they date you like have to ask ” will you be my girlfriend”. I said why do u have to ask cant you just assume that you are, I don’t understand why they have to make this whole big thing about it and put on Facebook. IDK. They are weird

      • lillicat

        I know, it’s hysterical to us. It’s the whole social media thing. In our day (God, i’m my mother ) we actually looked in someone’s eyes- you know what I mean?

      • nena

        Yes, they text way to much and don’t talk on the phone much, very impersonal! No communication face to face. Do you have kids?

      • nena

        interesting link! And yes RP doesnt look like he is unsure of his feelings

      • Petranella

        The latest sighting of Rob at the Black Keys–many witnesses-said he looked very happy, laughing having a great time–out with a group of male friends. Interpret from that what you will!

        he fact that this isn’t bothering anybody is yet another–tell me what you mean by this– what should bother and who should it bother?

      • nena

        what do you mean, who should be bothered/

      • Petranella

        It say The fact that this isn’t bothering anybody is yet another reason^^ up above from JS. wondering what she means.

      • lillicat

        I think she (JS) is referring to the fact that both sides (R&S’ teams) are allowing the reconciliation story to move forward, because if this was only for PR- it will possibly have the opposite effect on the fans, thereby causing damage to both their careers. (Meaning if they “break-up right after BD2).

      • JS

        Sorry Aitch and nena, I didn’t see your question until now. lillicat got what I was trying to say pretty much exactly though. The way I see it is this. Let’s suppose the (romantic) reconciliation is a stunt to try and help sell BD2. This is almost becoming received wisdom out there amongst people who aren’t invested in robsten so it’s now a pretty mainstream hypothesis. All the cynics are saying it and it’s always cool to be a cynic, right? (Quite often justified as well, don’t get me wrong!) To be effective for BD2 promotion though, the shippers have to believe that when they watch Edward and Bella, they’re watching an actor and actress whose love has triumphed over everything real life has thrown at them, who look at least plausibly as if a trip down the aisle in real life might be in the air in the not too distant future. In other words, they have to believe that the reconciliation has worked and K & R are back together stronger than ever! Now the PR stunt theory goes, Summit will rake in the extra cash and be very happy. Then when the DVDs are released, K and R can be done with each other and the lie they’ve been living since last summer, if not before.

        Not so fast! How do you think the Twihards who bought the reconciliation are going to feel at this point? Remember these are the people who love both K & R and are heavily invested in them as a couple; the core “nice” fanbase who ferociously defend them from the, often vicious, attacks launched on them by the so-called “haters”. Will these Twihards perhaps feel duped? Played? Disillusioned? Sold out? Pissed? And to make it worse, all the cynics who saw it coming will be revelling in telling them what naive saps they were for believing the lies in the first place and allowing a mercenary studio and two mercenary actors to put one over on them.

        Is that a good PR move? If you were R or K would you feel comfortable watching that particular oncoming train hurtling towards your reputations? My point was, they don’t seem worried. Their PR advisers don’t seem worried. Summit’s professional PR people don’t seem worried. Why not? Could it be simply because the supposition that this is all for PR is wrong!

      • Petranella

        Yes popular opinion now of outsiders and some in the fandom is that reconciliation is for PR. Perhaps R/K could care less if people think this, maybe even prefer people think this!
        I am not sure though, that their PR people would respond to anything, unless they really have “leaked” very selective info. to GC or whomever. I am not sure if that is true.

      • nena

        so you think their PR people could care less about the fans? That may be true to a point but aft BD2 comes out and if they break up and people blame them and the crap starts all over what is to stop KS and RP from telling that Summit made them get back together?? Nothing its what I would do if they made them do this for $$$$

      • Petranella

        Don’t think Summit cares right now because look at ticket sales for BD2 so far. I am sure they freaked when KS/RS pictures were released worried how it would affect box office. now they don’t have to worry. I think R/K personally feel they don’t owe fans or anyone else, info. on the true status of their relationship. Their PR people? what are they doing? what do they think? I wish I knew!

      • JS

        Well, PR people are there to make their clients look good and thus make more money. Of course R/K don’t owe fans info on their relationship UNLESS it’s just PR to sell tickets and DVDs: at that point, the privacy argument is holed below the water-line. If Kristen or Rob are seen as manipulating their fans just to increase the BD2 profit, their images will be severely and irreparably damaged. K’s team in particular has been saying some fairly unambiguous things, via Lainey, about an “intense” romantic reconciliation. If that’s a lie for short term gain, it will come back to bite her. She’s already seen as unreliable and a cheat by many of the public following the Sanders incident; to be seen as nakedly dissembling to boost her wealth or repair her image is going to make things much worse. R might be able to plead that he didn’t confirm anything but he’ll still be guilty by association for letting the con go ahead when he knew it was happening. Even Summit have to be careful. Of course they care primarily about money but they want to continue to sell stuff into the future and tarnishing the company’s image by duping the customers over something they really care about, just to enhance one movie’s sales, doesn’t make sense. And as you said, look at the sales for BD2: they don’t need to do this!

      • nena

        Well if this is PR for more $$$, I for one will help spread the truth. (I know this sounds childish) If They have duped people of their hard earned money when I will have to work like 90 years to make what they made on BD for 7 months then that is something else! Especially Summit!! When I think about this maybe being true it makes me mad. I dont think R and K would do this as they seem to be more down to earth, and they have gone out of their way to make people believe they are the total opposite of this. I know they dont owe me anything but if they mess with money then they do owe me to not screw with mine. I would work just as hard to disclose the truth to people as have to try to prove the setup.!!!!!! Its one thing to let a lie play out but another to be apart of it and to feed it. So ,,,,,

      • JS

        Exactly. And your reaction would be multiplied up by the huge number of fans who would be equally offended. Even if Kristen, Rob or any of their PR people thought they’d like to try this, how stupid would they all have to be to try it for real? Now I know people can be really mercenary and really stupid, but it’s a real leap to believe that applies to everyone involved here. I think it’s much more plausible that this is fundamentally a real reconciliation, which K & R both want because of their personal feelings. The PR types are trying to make the best of it to get both their images out at the end in the best shape they can, given what’s happened, while doing everything to help Summit sell BD2 for all their sakes. In other words there is, of course, PR going on but it’s fundamentally serving K & R’s aims, not driving them! And this is definitely not all a stunt!

      • nena

        My biggest problem is going tp GC, and reading the crap there. I really dont think R and K would do this for PR, I believe its a real reconciliation. Sometimes their (GC) crap gets into my head, I shouldnt go there but I want to put up the web sites in support of KS to plant the seed on doubt in some, I want to get the video, and all the other stuff in their face. Its really all we can do at this point. But when I sat down and figured how long it would take me to make that kind of money I about died,!!!!!!! And if Summit thinks we are stupid they have a big surprise, and hopefully they saw what we did with the video!!!!! Right girls???

      • JS

        I agree. the reconciliation is real and, with her neck stuck out as far as it is, I think Lainey is pretty close to the money on the (advanced) extent of it. GC, I think, is just playing its part in the relatively benign PR strategy that is in place, deliberately managing fan expectations for various reasons, including to build some tension for BD2. The comment boards have a very poor signal to noise ratio over at GC though so I don’t like to use them myself .

      • nena

        Its funny I posted again today just to get them going and some one said something about “people” me that keep bringing stuff up, cuz all that was on was “oh good morning” “whats for lunch” crap so I got a nasty few comments about trying to get people going so I said well why come to a blog about them if you cant even talk about them, gosh they are so foolish or something. Now they are talking about some old interview RP gave about kids and so they were all talking about R and K’s kids, but heaven forbid talking about meaningful stuff. Cant help but laugh!!

      • JS

        Yes. It’s more of a social venue motivated by a common interest although I notice the dynamic changes depending on the ratio of shippers to “nonstens” to trolls at any particular time. However, because there are so many of them all monitoring the social media, it’s the place to watch if you want to know as soon as Kristen or Rob are spotted in public. I see Kristen got ambused by paps when she was out at a concert last night. Can’t help wondering if the GC board gave her away? She will find coming out in (unmanaged) public much more traumatic than Rob for the time being because, having been running dark since the July incident, she’ll get mobbed and possibly baited for a reaction, whenever she surfaces. If they were caught together in public it would be the media circus from hell for sure! She did look a much healthier weight though which suggests whatever was really hurting her has lifted.

      • nena

        I didnt read that, that she was out, was it marcus foster concert, alot were talking about that concertor another friend concert? Is this the same story where she was out having tacos? Was this on GC? I am surprised sh, who was she with? I would not go out especially with out Rob for protection. I knoe 50 questions!!

      • Petranella

        OK they don’t care about short term gain over longer term profit. making money over the years. I def. do not perceive KS as someone who would do this for money or to repair her image. But to someone who doesn’t know much about her at all, they may believe this.

      • nena

        I was confused because in the first sentence you said aren’t invested. I get what you are saying now. I have said this also, that even if they break up right aft the video comes out people aren;t stupid and will figure it out, so I have said that they had to be smarter then that. I would feel duped if its PR but I still feel its more set up, Just need to figure out who did it.

      • nena

        what do you mean about not bothering anyone?

    • http://www.facebook.com/zylphia.rentz Zylphia Rentz

      He is going to propose to her so everyone can see and they will be married if they haven’t already

      • ss

        Okay…

      • Gosia

        That really can happen.

      • ss

        True. Anything is possible. But still….

    • Tryin to figure it all out

      I’m sorry if I offend anyone, but I just need to say this, and I’m sure no one’s going to like me for it.
      People
      bought the “fauxmance” the same way they bought the Twilight books and
      the movies. And when they saw KS and RP together they bought that they
      were in love, too. People got on the bus and paid their fare and let
      themselves be taken for a ride. Nobody held a gun to anyone’s head and
      forced anyone to buy it.
      The writing was all over the wall and
      everyone had plenty of chances to get off the bus, but people chose to
      stay on and continue the ride. KS and RP have never acknowledged their
      “relationship”, but everyone was 100% sure they were in love. They’ve
      been dancing around it for years, but everyone was SOOOoo sure they were
      a real couple!

      So, if it all does turn out to be fake, and people get hurt and angry, whose fault is that?

      • nena

        not to get into an argument but they have said it several times, And you dont look a each other they way they did and no tbe in love.

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        But if someone hasn’t see that or experienced that then they don’t know what the original looks like. So they accept the fake as real.Not only about love either.If you know it then you know it when you see it. If not then you don’t see it. An object does not exist unless and until it is observed. – William Burroughs

      • nena

        Yes, is a gut feeling that you just know it

      • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

        Look I’ve lived long enough that when I see an original of something I know it. Most people can’t see it. For example a piece of gold or silver jewelry. I can just look at it and by the color and sheen know if it is real or plated. Others are busy turning it around and looking for sterling or the number of carats (karats?) .Same with clothes in a thrift store. Or books at library sales. I just know a valuable book when I see it. Others are busy scanning with that little scanning machine that auto prices them. People have always said to me, how do you know? In unbelief. Well I just know and I could never tell you how I know. I blame it on my mother being an identical twin and say I got it from her. And they believe that. Could be. I can tell when two people in a room are very aware of each other and pretending not to be. So could the writer Henry James. Ayn Rand describes it the first time Rourke and Dominique meet publicly in Fountainhead.

      • nena

        Thats a cool gift!!! I’m going to read that next! Im going t sleep my arm hurts

      • lillicat

        That is a powerful scene. I need to read that again.

      • Tryin to figure it all out

        I know you’re not trying to get into an argument. I just haven’t heard or read the actual words from either one of them EVER saying “yes, we’re dating and in love.”
        I found an interview from 2009 where she’s quoted as saying, “I understand why you would assume that, when we lean on each other for support, there must be something more.” It also says, ‘Kristen admitted she and the British actor are “close” but just friends.’
        Yes, I know, it’s a few years old. But, I still haven’t been able to find anything that has them coming right out and admitting they were ever dating. Yes, I know, “her” apology, but I can’t take that as her word, nor does it admit to dating him. It only said “I love him…” Of course she loves him, but that doesn’t mean they’re IN LOVE. There is a difference.

      • nena

        RP in an interview several years ago ‘that ts crazy but yes we are together but its crazy we cant go out n public, we were supposed to come here together tonight” KS said in aninterview “my BF just did this movie” talking about Bei Ami, she said her BF was english, and talking about her gold ring it says ROB ingraved in it. IDK im sure there are others I know there is a differene in loving someone (jacob) and being In love (Edward), but i do think they are In love.

      • lillicat

        An interviewer asked Rob where his girlfriend was? And he said LA. Another time he was asked if he was taking Kris anything home as a souvenir (he was overseas somewhere), and he said a teddy bear, and did that shy little smiley thing he does when someone mentions something cute about Kris.

      • nena

        Unless I hear it from their mouths I will always believe they were/ are real

    • ss

      I got this off the GC board, a new tweet from Ted C. Not sure how “new” it is, since I’m not on twitter. Anyways here it is: Rob and Kristen having a nicer time lately than awhile ago, guarantee u that.

    • nena

      Look what Robin found!!!!!

    • nena

      http://www.lynnette-perkes.com/gossip8.htm new pics from the site, cant take credit tho!!