• Tue, Sep 25 2012

If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

Remember that time Rupert Sanders cheated on Liberty Ross with Kristen Stewart and you suddenly learned about two people that you never cared to know about before. Well, we’re gearing up for Breaking Dawn: Part Two now and it seems like the fearsome foursome of infidelity will continue to make headlines every day until the premiere.

“B-b-but,” you sputter uncontrollably, “how can they possibly generate a news story every single day for weeks?” Don’t worry. I assure you that they’re very skilled at keeping the spotlight on them. In fact they’re so skilled at getting attention that they manage to make it look like they want it off of them. It’s pretty dark and twisted and I can’t wait for the movie version of the scandal.

What’s on the docket today?

Well, we’re still selling tickets for the official Liberty Ross Pity Parade. She celebrated her 34th birthday yesterday in a gay club without her philandering husband Rupert Sanders. Naturally people spotted America’s number two victim (R.Patz remains #1 on this list. Duh. Poor Rob.) out partying.

After being spotted she expressed distress of having her birthday ruined by the publicity she now endures on a daily basis. She tells Rumor Fix, in between bouts of crying and calls to her therapist, we can only assume, how it’s ruined her life.

Asked about the affair that made her a headline name, Liberty didn’t play coy. ”Nobody knew who I was before he cheated and I liked it better that way. I’m here at Eleven and you recognized me. I bet had this scandal not have taken place, you would have walked right passed me,” she explained.

And then she walked definatly away from the nosy reporter and carried on with her birthday celebration.

JKJKJKJK!

She continued to speak about the affair that ruined her life in an incredibly well-put statement for someone who’s out partying for her birthday.

“It’s not good being hurt and devastated like me – – but guess what, you certainly learn from it. I’m not mad at Rupert at all, no reason to hold grudges. I’m not focused on that. What I am focused on are my children and moving my life forward. My children come first and are most important in my life. They’ve always been and always will be.”

It’s just that, oh I don’t know. If I didn’t want publicity, I wouldn’t speak to reporters when I’m out. I’d give a quick, curt statement that’s polite while simultaneously being like “get outta my face if you’re not offering me a vodka soda with a splash of lime juice!”

But what do I know? I’m not the model who got cheated on by her producer husband and then rocketed to fame right in time for fashion week.

(Photo: Optic Photos, PacificCoastNews.com)

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  • jenna

    Hardly an ‘interview’. Liberty met someone, we don’t even know who, in a club and answered what appears to be maybe 3 or 4 questions at best. Nothing set up by a PR team or a manager, nothing pre-planned. No magazine cover or even a legitimate article. Instead, a short blurb on a little known website. You seem to be exaggerating. I wonder why? A little journalistic bias?

    • Jenni

      You probably don’t know our motto? “All bias, all the time!”

    • jenna

      lol Well, you’re doing a bang up job with that. It’s a strange thing to so dislike someone you’ve never met, to go so far as to launch a media campaign against them. You seem so bitter and catty about this.

    • nena

      look at the facts, the catty person is LS, she is the most fake person and if you that that statement was off the top of her head well thats your choice, it was as scripted as her small role in SWATH!!!! Not bias, the truth, sorry, You can have your opinion, but this is most peoples here.

    • jenna

      The “catty” person is talking about forgiveness. No way was this PR scripted. If it was, she needs to fire her rep.
      The ugly opinions are from Kristen fans. Why that is, I’m not sure. Why do any of you care what Liberty does? Seriously, why are you all out for blood?

    • Jenni

      I don’t dislike her! I dislike when any celebrity says one thing and then does another. It’s fine to want publicity, that’s the definition of Hollywood. But you can’t pretend that you don’t want it and then give eloquent statements to the press that you have to know will get printed.

    • nena

      thats right, who has been n hiding not her, the italian mag said she has been photographed like 70 times since the scandal.

    • jenna

      The Italian mag said there were about 70 pics of her, not that she had been seen (gasp!) 70 times. You have pics of her buying coffee, having lunch with a friend, at the salon, walking out of Bed Bath and Beyond. Yes, what a horrible, evil woman.

    • jenna

      Like when Kristen says she doesn’t like publicity and the HW game then attends industry parties, poses for mag covers, and signs on for perfume contracts? Like that? Liberty has lost her anonymity. Suddenly and under sordid circumstances. She can’t go to the store w/o papz taking her pic and a herd of Kristen fans rushing to their computers to call her an ugly old famewhore.That’s what she’s saying she doesn’t like. Who would?

    • nena

      She is doing her job, does KS seek publicity? I dont think so, does she give out interviews when she is out in private? And KS does not go to industry parties, NO all LS has to do is ignore them but she doesnt she makes sure she is noticed, other wise how would we know about all the partying she has done? If all the crap is true then I feel for her but she makes sure she is seen. Also she made sure to be holding hands with her ex when the papz were out, if she just wanted to go out and have a nice bday, then do it, not in front of the papz.

    • jenna

      All the partying? What partying? Her birthday? She was out having drinks with two friends. Serpentine Gallery? Paps were there taking pics of lots of people – Kate Moss for instance. Liberty went to last year’s party there too. And they took her pics then too. I don’t recall you complaining about it then, nena. Why did Kristen fly commercial into Toronto? Because she wanted to be sure she was noticed.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Here’s the thing, if LR wanted to be seen in public, fine, be seen. Nothing wrong with that. If she wants to give an interview, fine, give an iterview. But, giving an interview and talking about her personal woes instead of her excitement of doing an upcoming job is not the type of interview she should be giving. She’s seeking out the wrong audience and publicity. If she’s having personal issues, go to a shrink, not the public and media. She should be promoting the sh-t out of herself as a strong, confident woman at all times, not just when she thinks she should. She wants a new career in acting? Fine, start acting. Show the public how good she is by not talking about the scandal every chance she gets or her personal woes.

    • Jenni

      I completely agree that K.Stew’s constantly contradicted herself throughout her career. She hates publicity and the Hollywood scene, yet makes blockbusters like SWATH. Just because I write about Liberty does not mean that I think Kristen’s flawless. I think the problem with this entire scandal that everyone feels the need to pick sides.

    • nena

      But if you look at KS she has done way way more indie. I think she did SWATH because she liked the part, and that doesnt say she wants publicity just that she wanted that movie. She doesnt go to HW crap, She doesnt go to the Emmys like other movie celebs to get their pict taken and say look at me Im cool. I wonder if RP and KS would have done Twilight if they knew then what they know now? Yes the money was great but at what price? Its not like she was hurting for money. I dont hate LS just dont like the fake way she is acting

    • jenna

      Picking sides. Yes, I agree. As if Kristen and Liberty were rivals. Are they? I’m interested in this passionate need to put down Liberty in the hopes in will somehow bolster Kristen. The hate for Liberty is excessive. Scary even. And I don’t entirely understand where it’s coming from. Salem Witch Trials here.

    • nena

      OMG no one is doing that please stop and read the posts, no one feels the need to put LS down to bolster KS. Please this is one article, go to GC (which is so vile and ugly that I have posted 3 times and have been over there 3 time for like 2 min,) They put down everyone. No one knew LS or RS before this. This site is nothing compared the others we discuss

    • jenna

      I’m refering to many sites, not just this one. I see many of the same names posting

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I find the whole thing funny. You mention LR and everyone immediately thinks KS, not realizing they are actually pitting them as rivals just for immediately associating the two because of the scandal. LR will never, and I mean never, be thought of without KS in the back of everyone’s minds, but KS will always be thought of for Twilight and her other films, like into the wild. LR will always be the scorned woman, never an individual known for her talents, yet, KS will. LR is dooming her own career with the publicity crap she craves by not actually building her career outside the influence of the scandal. She has set herself up for a reputation forever linked to the scandal by letting it be known about all her offers because of the scandal, not her talents. HA! Stupid! She will never stand on her own and fail because of it.

    • nena

      Not too smart is she? She belongs in HW because she is so fake, funny she is the type of person KS doesnt like!!!

    • lillicat

      Please, I’ve heard nothing like that on this board or even over on GC. NOTHING like the hatred spewed about Kris day in and day out , to the point that we are afraid someone is going to try to kill her.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Please don’t say that in public. It tends to give a crazy person a suggestive influence. There are too many out there.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @a0432b0e09bdfc683a3896cdda26bfe9:disqus Go to LR web site, then tell me what you think. It says a lot.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      KS never said she hates publicity–she has said and shown that she is uncomfortable with it, and feels strange. She said she will do blockbusters if the script is good. Weren’t you the one who wrote an article that she wants to drop out of H-wood and only do indies? therefore was complicit in planning the scandal? How do you feel about that now?
      And I am a fan and I don’t think KStew is flawless and I am not picking sides. You were not previously aware of how passionate the Twi fandom and R/K fandom is–and there are MANY different factions that exist in the Twi fandom. Most people were not aware of this before the “scandal.”

    • Jenni

      Oh I still think K.Stews definitely involved in the scandal and I do believe part of her motivations are that she wants out of Hollywood. Her actions throughout her career reflect that she dislikes red carpets, interviews and general publicity. So I did find it strange that when she got a chance to just do smaller films after Twilight ended, she chose to do SWATH. I think after that experience, she wants out of the game altogether.

      I also believe that criticizing Liberty Ross shouldn’t imply that I’m defending Kristen Stewart for similar behavior. Nor should it imply I’m grouping her in with Liberty. I’m simply commenting on Liberty’s recent quote.

    • D. Martin

      Hmmm…IDK. I think she likes the acting process — she talks about it enough. But I do think the overwhelming fame — and let’s face it, they can’t even go do anything — is getting old. I think she may just need a break from it all. I think once the last Twilight is over then things might calm down.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      And many many actors are like Kristen in that regard.
      I DO hope things calm down after Twilight.

    • lillicat

      Yeah, she said she would like to take a break for awhile, and then be more choosy about projects.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @Jenni_Maier:disqus I don’t know where I read it, but I read somewhere that KS knew RP long before SWATH was even a reality. When he got the script, she jumped on board because they were friends and she wanted to help him. She knew him through RP in London. I wish I could find that article. It said RS & RP didn’t like each other back in London too. It was when he was filming “Little Ashes”. The restaurant incident.

    • Jenni

      It’s not out of the question, I just have never seen that article.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Believe me, I’m looking for it and when I find it, I will send you the link.

    • lillicat

      Also, we discussed if Kris was told to do the Balaciaga contract by the studio.

    • D. Martin

      Umm….okay. It’s called doing your job. And when she gives interviews she does not talk about her private life. She’s had slips — yes. But neither her nor Rob has talked about their relationship in the press. Basically your saying it’s okay for one person but not for the other. That’s hypocritical.

    • ss

      Exactly!

    • BKChick

      So wait, Jenni points out the obvious and she’s bitter AND catty? If Libertus didn’t want attention, she would not answer questions about her shot up to fame!

    • D. Martin

      And you’ve met Kristen? Pot meet kettle.

    • jenna

      I don’t hate Kristen. I don’t flood comment sections of Kristen articles with hate and lies about her. I don’t enjoy her movies or her acting but I don’t hate her personally.

  • http://www.facebook.com/monique.nicole91 Monique Nicole Johnson

    d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y

  • JUST NO

    Her 15 min. Is coming to and end soon

    • D. Martin

      Hope springs eternal…

    • jenna

      If you don’t like her, why read a post about her? Unless orgies of hate turn you on?

    • D. Martin

      Who else has given interviews? Made comments? Who knew she was out and about? Who called the interviewer?

    • nena

      thank you!!! D. Martin

    • nena

      Thank God hopefully soon and maybe oh IDK court is where she can get her next pics taken and give a great interview there, Hey Jenni how about an article on that, what they will say, wear, will they bring the kids in. I feel very sorry for the kids, and I will be the first to admit I was wrong about all of this

  • D. Martin

    “It’s not good being hurt and devastated like me…” I keep expecting her to follow-up with “Did you get that?” Not once has Rob talked about his pain but you can SEE it. You can see Kristen’s too. Both had lost weight (especially Kristen) and have lost their joy. But Liberty has to TELL you…Hmmm…

    • jenna

      I can see how much weight Liberty’s lost. I don’t need to see Kristen’s weight loss (I didn’t notice her weight before the cheating so wouldn’t know) but that’s ok because her PR team made sure to leak “woe is me, I’m so sorry about everything, I’m lost in a pint of Ben and Jerry’s” stories to the media.

    • nena

      oh but LS PR team wasnt involved in her little bday thing? It goes both ways doesnt it?

    • jenna

      There’s video of her in the club caught by another patron. She’s there with two friends, which has somehow been interpreted as “partying.” No PR to be seen.

    • nena

      did you read the articles about the night and the INTERVIEW she gave? The only person who has discussed the (set up) scandal his her, the poor wife who supposedly cheated in 2011 but that is ok??

    • jenna

      Supposedly cheated in 2011? What are you talking about? Link? Or is that just your imagination? I’ve read what Liberty said and I see nothing about a set up.

    • nena

      I mean she is the only one who has said anything about the scandal, not KS or RP or Rupig, only her, glad she doesnt want publicity.

    • jenna

      Again, link or your imagination

    • jenna

      waiting :)

    • jenna

      I didn’t think so. Just another hater spreading lies. Nena, can you not think of anything better to do than hate and bully someone who has done nothing to you, someone you don’t even know? Very cruel. :(

    • nena

      We can have our own opinions, Im not putting you down for yours.

    • jenna

      So your OPINION is that she cheated. You have no evidence, nothing at all to back this up? You’re just pulling this accusation out of nowhere and calling it a harmless opinion?

    • nena

      did you look above someone else just commented on it also Dont know why you are getting so upset,

    • jenna

      ah, success! The lie is spreading. Soon it will be “fact” Or is it already? Very seriously, nena, where did you hear this story first? Where is that link?

    • ss

      Calm down please. Lol Things are going to be okay.

    • powerpoes

      Iheard tat seand RS filed for divorce in febr 2011 . Because LS was inl love with a friend of RS . But then they stop it . That was right before starting shooting SWAT.

    • jenna

      Another one that “heard.” Who did you hear this from exactly? You’re more than entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts. Spreading gossip and lies is bullying. Why would you do this?

    • nena

      we have been on this site since July 24, we talk and give our opinions and theories and discuss, so Im sorry but if our talking makes you mad then dont. We feel we can agree or disagree with each other and not be put down for it

    • jenna

      Here’s an opinion: I don’t like Liberty. Here’s a lie: Liberty cheated on her hsuband. Do you see the difference? I don’t care that you don’t like Liberty. I don’t like Kristen. But I don’t spread lies that she had an affair with someone if I have no evidence that even suggests it. I’m trying to understand why Kristen Stewart fans are so offended by this woman who has done nothing to hurt you. Her husband cheated and people are calling her a whore. It’s surreal.

    • nena

      That is the first time I have ever said that before so sorry, I shouldnt have, but many others have made up many many many lies about KS, what she the only one there? No, Did they make up vile ugly hateful names for her? Yes but LS isnt making things look good for herself by holding hands with an ex, out making sure she is photographed etc, but Many people do not believe any cheating occured at all. No one has called LS a whore but many many many have called KS one is that fair???

    • jenna

      I know people make up lies about Kristen. Kristen fans, you would think, wouldn’t do the same.
      So on the one hand you’re saying Liberty’s a PR manipulating famewhore. yet on the other, she’s not making herself look good. See the contradiction there?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @jenna & @nena It is not a contradiction. It only appears to be to you. One of the biggest reasons LR is not making herself look good is because she is constantly in the public, lying about being in the public eye, and smiling while she says she’s the victim, knowing she, RS, Lionsgate, Universal and Summit are very aware of the free publicity they have gained on their plot by targeting KS & RP.
      This is the business of the media. All publicity is good publicity, even if it splits the fans. There are so many dynamics going on with this that it makes the head spin.
      As a KS “HATER” you close your mind to what is going on and refuse to see how ALL OF US have been used in this media uproar and continue to perpetuate the situation because of your pig headed, narrow minded, and the tunnel visioned FEELINGS AND VIEWS of what you fail and refuse to recognize.
      Whether you like KS, RP, RS or LR doesn’t matter. The media continues to make money, get free advertising, manipulate the public and tarnish the public view of the entertainers just to get your “clicks”. Haven’t you noticed the lack of REAL news worthy information out there? Why aren’t there promotions of the workings of these entertainers? All we see now is the constant volitile, vicious spewing of vitrol.
      When we blog our FEELINGS, instead of our opinion, it causes other bloggers to run off the subject and attack each other. This is all being manipulated by the media. You are being used, so your comments and badgering of each other can fuel the fire in the media and draw attention away from the REAL issues.
      If you want to read the articles written by the media, read them, formulate your thoughts and comment on them. If you enjoy reading the comments and replying back, do so, but do so, understanding that you can’t change anyone’s mind, only they can, so arguing and vicously attacking ANYONE, including the person the article is about, is only fueling the fire for an attack on you.
      The REAL issue here, is that it was an interview. Someone from the Fab 4 actually spoke and it happened to be the same someone that has been speaking all along. What does that tell you? Have you seen any other interviews from any of the others? No. Why is she then? Publicity. Plain and simple. This is why Jenni wrote the article.
      We all have our thoughts on this issue. We cannot all argee. That does not mean we have to argue and attack each other. If we learn to blog to each other the way we talk to each other, maybe we can open our minds and try to understand “WHY” people feel so violently about this issue. By doing that, we will learn to respect again. Respect the person that wrote the article, the people commenting and the people the article is about. This will help us help each other understand each other. So open your minds people, talk to each other, don’t attack each other.

    • lillicat

      Thank you Robin!

    • nena

      thats what i was trying to say to her if you read my other posts I kept saying it but she would not listen so I just quit talking to her, and thank you D Martin for sticking up with me

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @jenna & @nena It is not a contradiction. It only appears to be to you. One of the biggest reasons LR is not making herself look good is because she is constantly in the public, lying about being in the public eye, and smiling while she says she’s the victim, knowing she, RS, Lionsgate, Universal and Summit are very aware of the free publicity they have gained on their plot by targeting KS & RP.
      This is the business of the media. All publicity is good publicity, even if it splits the fans. There are so many dynamics going on with this that it makes the head spin.
      As a KS “HATER” you close your mind to what is going on and refuse to see how ALL OF US have been used in this media uproar and continue to perpetuate the situation because of your pig headed, narrow minded, and the tunnel visioned FEELINGS AND VIEWS of what you fail and refuse to recognize.
      Whether you like KS, RP, RS or LR doesn’t matter. The media continues to make money, get free advertising, manipulate the public and tarnish the public view of the entertainers just to get your “clicks”. Haven’t you noticed the lack of REAL news worthy information out there? Why aren’t there promotions of the workings of these entertainers? All we see now is the constant volitile, vicious spewing of vitrol.
      When we blog our FEELINGS, instead of our opinion, it causes other bloggers to run off the subject and attack each other. This is all being manipulated by the media. You are being used, so your comments and badgering of each other can fuel the fire in the media and draw attention away from the REAL issues.
      If you want to read the articles written by the media, read them, formulate your thoughts and comment on them. If you enjoy reading the comments and replying back, do so, but do so, understanding that you can’t change anyone’s mind, only they can, so arguing and vicously attacking ANYONE, including the person the article is about, is only fueling the fire for an attack on you.
      The REAL issue here, is that it was an interview. Someone from the Fab 4 actually spoke and it happened to be the same someone that has been speaking all along. What does that tell you? Have you seen any other interviews from any of the others? No. Why is she then? Publicity. Plain and simple. This is why Jenni wrote the article.
      We all have our thoughts on this issue. We cannot all argee. That does not mean we have to argue and attack each other. If we learn to blog to each other the way we talk to each other, maybe we can open our minds and try to understand “WHY” people feel so violently about this issue. By doing that, we will learn to respect again. Respect the person that wrote the article, the people commenting and the people the article is about. This will help us help each other understand each other. So open your minds people, talk to each other, don’t attack each other.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      write me nena.

    • lillicat

      It was everywhere. Why don’t you go back and do some research instead of attacking people who come here to have an adult conversation.

    • lillicat

      How does published info on RS/LR from 1-2 yrs ago make Kris look contrite?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      No one knows what stories he told KS about his marriage. Or his wife. He may be hostage to his children. Would you want to leave your children in her custody? Narcissistic rage is an awful thing. this is the evil queen in Snow White. Murderous.

    • nena

      I saw that its what Im talking about. It was his partner. So how can she be all “im so hurt and devastated” if she did it also, thats what Im getting at. Did she go around giving interviews then about how she cheated? no but now since it has supposedly happened to her is talks about it.

    • jenna

      But she didn’t “do it also”, nena. You’re imaginging that she did. You’ve made it up because it helps you to hate her, it gives you another reason. Shall I start a few ugly rumors about you? Is that ok?

    • nena

      No one knows that for sure if LS did or didnt you dont either unless you are her. I dont hate her I said that before I dont like fake people who are milking the hurt and devastation. I again say I have mentioned it once, here, today only you have said it like 5 times on this site and I apologized so please stop

    • jenna

      Ok, no one knows for sure if Kristen is a blood sucking martian from outer space. I’ll start that rumor right away. Do you see how nonsensical this is?

    • nena

      ok name calling, why put me down and my god I really cant see how you think it is the same? Im not going to comment any more on something I said one and apologized for, please stop, you have done more to spread that rumor then me. Read the posts

    • ss

      Don’t waste your time arguing with people like that. This is a comment board, everyone can whatever they want. But some people come to just to argue and call people names “behind their computers.” You were just saying your opinion w/o name calling or anything like that. And that other person starts name calling. I mean really? Those type of people are a waste of time. Ignore them.

    • nena

      I did I stopped, it was worthless to try

    • nena

      I did I stopped, it was worthless to try

    • lillicat

      nena: we love you girl. This is not a “Bash Kris or Rob board”. Just let it go in one ear and out the other.

    • nena

      Thanks I’m not as in the know as some of you so I only had knowledge from u guys so I couldn’t find any source for a thing with LS and RS partner

    • lillicat

      Say that again? Are you talking about the scuttlebutt last year on the troubled marriage and the “affairs” ? Try the archives for “Celeb”, and Vogue Magazine. LR used to write a column or a blog.

    • ss

      Don’t waste your time arguing with people like that. This is a comment board, everyone can whatever they want. But some people come to just to argue and call people names “behind their computers.” You were just saying your opinion w/o name calling or anything like that. And that other person starts name calling. I mean really? Those type of people are a waste of time. Ignore them.

    • M

      ” shall I start a few ugly rumors about you?” Wtf?! LOL. That is the funniest s**t ever. Lol. Smh.

    • M

      ” shall I start a few ugly rumors about you?” Wtf?! LOL. That is the funniest s**t ever. Lol. Smh.

    • M

      Meaning….. YOUR last sentence, in your response to Nena sounded very childish.lol Just want to be clear.

    • lillicat

      Jenna: Relax, please. It’s common knowledge that LR had an affair with RS’ partner, as their marriage was supposedly in trouble because he had a fling with some 18 year old. All alleged, mind you . But they are still married, so one would assume they worked through it. This happened what, 2 years ago? Jenni is a great moderator, and we respect each other’s opinion on this board. The only thing that jumps out at you is that of the four people outwardly involved- the only 2 who are happy and enjoying their new found status are LR and RS. You have to admit it’s interesting, and we have been saying this way before LR started opining.

    • nena

      So the rupig has done this before? Is this girl an actress? I tried to. Google if either RS or LS has cheated but only thing that came up was KS and RS boy they have a great trusting relationship

    • lillicat

      Nena: Go to examiner.com ans see if you can pull up the video labeled: “Liberty Ross gives radio interview and states that RS and KS did not cheat”. I could not get it to load, but I would really like to know if it’s legit or just a twist to get you to click on the site.

    • nena

      only got a bunch of articles I didnt look all the way thru them, did you actually find it?

    • Jenni

      I don’t understand why everyone’s equating weight loss to depression for any of the people involved in this scandal. Some people lose weight when they’re depressed, but other do it because they’re so ecstatic about life changes that they feel motivated to work out and change their diet. I just don’t think it’s an accurate indicator of emotions.

    • nena

      well true but then we need to see if all 4 are involved plus who knows how many others or, just LS and RS. Funy the only person to talk about this since the apologies ( which we dont evenknow if they actually happened since the People writer has said she got it from a source who go it from KS) IS LIB,sure glad she doesnt want the publicity.

    • jenna

      Sometimes weight loss just means stress. Even Rupert has clearly lost weight. Are the Kristen fans prepared to sympathize with him about that? Or does the weight loss = a pure heart theory just apply to Kristen?

    • D. Martin

      Didn’t notice his weight loss. DID notice him smiling and waving at the cameras though.

    • jenna

      you didn’t notice because you don’t want to. You want to hate and no reason will stop you. You’re misrepresenting Rupert’s actions. Read what the pap who took the photos even admitted – Rupert was calling the police on them. He was angry, telling them to stop following him and get off his property. The paps were there trying to take pics of his wife and kids in the backyard pool.

    • nena

      Yeah he called the cops “photo op”

    • nena

      Ok then If your a 41 yo adult man married with children and you are going to set up a 22 yo girl make sure you go to a hotel not in a car like a 16yo, oh thats right you cant get pics in a hotel. If you dont want your name known then dont seduce a 22yo in a car and photoshop pics. Im sorry but neither LS or RS is innocent here.

    • D. Martin

      Agreed.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @jenna & @D. Martin Liberty Ross is the one that encouraged RS to go after KS for the SWATH film, knowing her husbands weaknesses. She knew he was awed by her and knew he would persue her. Her marriage was on the rocks. She said it and so did her brother. (Not so sure he wasn’t behind this too, with LR) LR saw her husband coming home upset because RP was visiting KS at the set so much and interferring with his play time with KS. (That’s how he viewed it) Rupert hated RP, was jealous of him because of KS. LR knew this, whispered in his ear “HOW” to get back at RP every time he failed at his advances toward KS. She planted the seed in RS jealous loins to set up KS so he could get back at RP for being in his way. Why is this so difficult to understand? LR was jealous of RS attraction to KS. It was just as much an insult to her and hurtful to her. RS was insulted by KS for not accepting his advances and he was insulted by RP for invading his territory, his play time. No mystery here. Just a lot of raging hormones.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I will say this. We talk about the vileness of a woman scorned. But if a man is coming on to you and you reject him, watch the fuck out. You will pay for that in the worst way he can find to do it. And men can do the paybacks much easier than women. Ever been there ladies? I have. they will ruin you.

    • lillicat

      I have been there, and it is not fun.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Nope. It cost me many millions. But I never fucked on command.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Obviously, I have too.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Nasty isn’t it? I didn’t get my Ph.D and my research went to my male office mate who couldn’t think his way out of a wet paper bag. It was 1965 and I didn’t think I had any recourse. You didn’t make those kinds of waves then. “What would the academic community think of you forevermore!”

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I have other photos with errors in them circled, like in the video, if you want them. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Really. Yes they would be great.

    • D. Martin

      Yes! I have seen this happen. I lived in a small town where a police officer took a liking to a young girl still in high school. He asked her out numerous times and she said no — she had a boyfriend. He told her he did not take rejection well and didn’t like to take “no” for an answer. He began pulling over her boyfriend and issuing citations on numerous occassions. Then would go to where the girl worked and told her if she wanted it to stop she would dump her boyfriend and go out with him. Both her famly and the boyfriend’s family had to go toether and file a complaint with the DA’s office.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      At least they had the sense to file. There was a time when they would have rolled their eyes at someone coming to file over this. You see there is still an old generation around who had to take care of this stuff themselves.

    • jenna

      I didn’t say Rupert was innocent. He cheated on his wife. That’s dead wrong. How that is Liberty’s fault, I can’t fathom

    • lillicat

      Look at the video. The “girl” in the video is the exact height of none other than Liberty Ross.

    • D. Martin

      Think about this for a minute. What you’re saying. So the photos are not what they appear? Is that right? Sound familiar?

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      touche

    • jenna

      I’m saying the pap himself admitted Rupert was angry and called the police on them. The tabloids know that isn’t as good a story as telling you he was happy and cheerfully waving to the paps. And so the false story spreads and here you are continuing to do that. As for the July 17th pics, I agree. Both guilty parties apologized, though. So we can at least safely assume the tryst did happen.

    • nena

      that is your opinion and its fine but he was waving and smiling for the photogs,

    • lillicat

      Some of us wonder if Kris was blackmailed. If you look at the correct sequence, it almost looks like sexual harassment.

    • nena

      he admitted calling the police so…… not the same as photoshopped pics of someone else!!! Im sorry you cant see that

    • jenna

      No, the pap who took the photograph said Rupert called the police on him. Do I think the July 17th pics were photoshopped? no, I don’t. Haven’t seen any evidence they were. If true, why the apologies?

    • nena

      then you havent looked at the pics or the videos, in reality the fence is straight and faded wood grey color and in the pics it is curved and white not even the same fence, there is alot of evidence if you look, she apologized because they were together somewhere and he came on to her, so she did what alot of people would do just go along so as not to make him mad and to try to end things as fast as you can. she then prob knew that she had been setup and was told they had pics. Come on 4 photographers and these g rated pics and no video, the pics are all from one angle. The story says they followed then all over LA and made out and then went some place else and made out. So all afternoon they were followed and we are shown only pics from 2 places????

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Because the apologie KS made was for RP only. He refused to listen to her and HE demanded that she apologize. It was the only thing he would listen to. She was apologizing for not trusting him enough to tell him that RS was harrassing her, that he continued the harrassment and she thought she could handle it herself. She knew if she told RP that he would go nuts, not want her anywhere around him, maybe beat the living crap out of him and demand her not to do the sequel to SWATH. She wanted to do the sequel. She wanted to protect RP from getting upset, maybe even arrested and she wanted to explain, but he wouldn’t listen. That’s why he said all the trust is gone. When RS released the pictures, KS didn’t know they existed until he did, so she was just as shocked as RP. If she had told RP before the pictures were released, he would have known what happened and not been humiliated. He would have immediately gone after Rupert and this would have come out on RP’s turf as harrassement to KS, but since she didn’t tell him, he couldn’t because he wouldn’t listen to anything she had to say. “Cheaters are liers”, remember? RP wouldn’t hear anything except an admission from KS to prove she wouldn’t lie to him. Her apology was brilliant, for someone under the stress she was under and not wanting to lie. Her apology was not a lie. She told the truth, the only way she could, to get RP to listen to her. It was a momentary indescression, because she made it a momentary descression by not trusing RP and telling him what was going on before the pictures were released. Kristen Stewart, in every aspect of my mind, is innocent of everything, the same as Robert Pattinson, and deserves to be respected in the highest possible standards. She is a woman that has endured with strength, humiliation, patience, kindness, understanding and love. She has endured this because her morals are higher than anyone ever imagined, even RP, because she has endured this from every angle. She took it from Rupert, Liberty Ross, the public, the media, her peers, her employers, and from RP himself and she endured it alone. She is a rock that will never errode, never chip or break. She is an inspiration to all women because she has been sacrificed to show us all what REAL LOVE is all about. She did this because she loves Robert more than anyone else in the world. Now, if anyone has anything nasty to say about KS, it’s because they do not understand what she went through, is going through and will still have to go through, until people realize they need to stop judging and start watching, listening and trying to understand. I hope that day comes soon, because we’re all killing her and she doesn’t deserve it.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I will say it feels like the truth, at least much of it. I can’t imagine the public apology if he had been listening to her. If I were her and this were true, and I had suffered this long, I would be over the worst of it, and I would not go back to someone who forced me to suffer needlessly for something I hadn’t done just because the public demanded I be humiliated more than Rob. It really all depends on whether she chose parrhesia or whether she was forced into a confession. And I will say this that when Rob does Blacklist and plays Eric Maddox and understands methods and levels of interrogation, he will finally understand. Too little, too late. He is essentailly an emotionally immature guy who cannot assert his independence with men of authority. Kristen can but she is also physically afraid.

    • lillicat

      Most men are emotionally immature as compared to us. I’ll tell you though, Janet- I believe in my heart of hearts that Kris loves Rob (as he loves her) more than many of us will ever know for ourselves in our lifetime. Remember when you discussed how Kris and Rob started their relationship as “courtly love” in Twilight “, which started in the 12th century and ran through the early sixties, until “Free Love” came along. Yes, she is fierce, and she will not back down if she believes in something. I think they will endure unless Nick or someone like him is able to pry them apart. But Nick and his ilk want $$$, and money just doesn’t seem to matter to Kris and Rob. I have never seen anyone in HW as frugal as these two. I know she bought Rob the Steinway and the guitars, but that is was special. Everyday things. They wear vintage (used) clothing, drive old, beat-up cars that Rob buys off Craig’s List. Rob has no credit cards. They eat at home most of the time. Sorry for rambling.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I believe it too. Now does he have the courage that she has?

    • D. Martin

      I agree with this totally. I had read some weeks ago that Rob never trusted Rupert. Kristen blew it off because Rupert was being a director and “friend” and she shot down his advances — there is even a video at the London premiere she he is walking up to her like a puppy and she turns and looks at him, puts up her hand to block him and clearly says, “Okay. Just stop.” But to give Rob some credit — guys know how guys think. The dirtbags they can be — just like women know how manipulative other women can be. Kristen’s mistake was picking him up that day. It was not in a seedy part of town as reported in US Weekly — that’s already been proven by some very smarkt and investigative fans. And they did not go to a park like US said — it was a residential street three blocks from Sanders’ house. She probably thought she was giving him a ride home and discussing the sequel. That’s plausible.

      I don’t think we’ll be seeing any more pics. I think the other pics (there’s supposed to be over 2 1/2 hrs of this) will never be seen because they fill in the gaps of what did or did not happen and may prove that this was indeed a set up.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Have you considered seeing the videos?

    • jenna

      No, the pap who took the photograph said Rupert called the police on him. Do I think the July 17th pics were photoshopped? no, I don’t. Haven’t seen any evidence they were. If true, why the apologies?

    • lillicat

      Oh so you are admitting you believe the paps were there in view and not 21/2 miles away, as was reported.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      We don’t know where they were.

    • lillicat

      I didn’t notice any weight loss for him either.

    • D. Martin

      Okay. I don’t sympathize with him. His part in all this is rarely mentioned — if ever. I find that double standard appalling.

    • jenna

      Women appear to enjoy hating other women (be it Liberty or Kristen, take your pick) more then they do hating a man. Or maybe it’s because we all agree he’s scum so there’s nothing to argue about?

    • nena

      Ha probably but I think it makes women look so bad, we just put ourselves back to the 1960′s. This has all been put on the shoulders of a 22 yo girl. Not his 41 yo shoulders where 95% belongs.

    • D. Martin

      Agreed.

    • lillicat

      Amen, and we as women owe it to the younger women coming up behind us to stop the public lynching of a young girl caught kissing and older man, if it even happened.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I agree. it is turning into a sex war.

    • jenna

      Kristen and Liberty seem to be getting the most hate. I think Kristen has been hated on excessively, but i understand why people would give her a hard time for cheating. I don’t understand why people hate Liberty, and so passionatleythat they make up stories to justify that hate..

    • nena

      Because she has lied actually ” I havent been out of the house in 7 weeks…” oh so you wernt talked to out and about. If you can lie about something that is so easily found out what else have you lied about? And really here no one cared less about her until she started showing up in papz pics, giving quotes about how horrible her marriage was and she had to give up work when when moved to LA which she didnt she was in mag in 2008, and how she had to stay homeand take care of her kids, well so what, she has family in LA, I moved 7 hours away from family with babies and I did not know a soul no one, I didnt cry about it, they are my children, I had to give up my job also. And then her interview from her bday, thats what pushed me over as to what a fake publicity hounding person she is,

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      She also lied about her marriage to RS. She said she was lonely, bored, caring for her kids all by herself in one article, and in the next, (Interviews also) she talked about how great everything was and how exciting life was. Which is it? Seriously, do they have twins somewhere, living opposite lives and are they confused who is living which life? Oh, yes, her BDAY! Did she look like she was having such a horrible time since this SCANDAL (that she orchestrated) ruined it for her? Give me a midol, I think my cramps are getting worse!

    • nena

      I dont know the chick at all, dont hate her dont really have any feelings, I dont like people that are fake

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      No, your comment is very valid. Women are much more critical of other women. It’s in our nature. We are very competitive, naturally jealous of competition, especially in looks, size each other, and watch each other. We are very protective of what we consider our territory. LR is in our territory. She is absorbing what is rightfully ours to give KS & RP by demanding attention. We are offended by her demands because we each have our suspicions. Have you seen her web site? The first thing that pops up is her video and let me tell you, it suits her so well! She is nude, dark and evil with Ram horns on her head. Her video is what convinced me she had the smarts, tenacity, will and guts to do this to KS and RP. There are many other things I have found that make me feel this way, but nothing, and I mean nothing is as strong as going with your gut. Your gut doesn’t give you proof, but it guides you throughout your life. Protects you from doing something stupid, like KS did, walking into this trap and warns you of danger. LR is dangerous, of that, I have no doubts.

    • lillicat

      Does anyone know what the Statute of Limitations is in a case where the victim(s) assuming Rob might be one also would have to “keep quiet because of negative press before BD2? IOW, would she be able to file after BD2, or would waiting create a question in the jury’s mind?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      2 years.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I don’t know the law but I would guess the contracts they have with each of the films restrain them permanently from talking about the goings on, on the set. I would imagine they would be opening themselves up for corporate and personal law suits because it would damage the reputation of the corporations, along with the perspective personel, to the point of ruin. Before the corporations allowed that to happen, like in real estate, that’s what these people are to them, real estate, they would force mediation to resolve any disputes or misgivings, quietly, to avoid their own demise. Keep in mind, and this I have experience with, if they go after anyone legally, they run a huge risk of being black listed by every movie corporation, director, producer, and agent, for fear of future law suit or tarnishing of reputation. This is what gives them so much leverage over actors. Actors are replaceable, as replaceable as a pair of shoes. I know, because I went up against a bank for fraudulent interest abuse and won, got black listed by all the banks and had to go after them again for blacklisting me. I also had to involve the IRS and go against the IRS for taxes they wanted to penalize me with for the suit. I won all three cases and got my company name off the black list along with making blacklisting in the financial district illegal. It was a 10 yr battle that almost bankrupted me. Summit, being a financial institue, I’m sure would follow protocall and require all employees to agree to arbitration and mediation to resolve any and all issues quietly. We would never hear about it, if it happened.

    • D. Martin

      The question is has a law been broken? Is there a law for this? While I believe that KS was set up I don’t think there is a law broken as they did not blackmail her. What happened was immoral and unethical but illegal? That’s the question.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      I sympathize with Rupert actually–I think he carries a torch for KS probably still.

    • nena

      yeah but I dont feel sorry for him at all, he made his bed….. Put boss in place of director and its sexual harassment

    • D. Martin

      You have a point. If this had been the “real world” he’d have been suspended or fired (based on tolerance policies).

    • jenna

      1) Rupert wasn’t her boss when the pics were taken. 2) are you aware that top HW actresses have sexual harassment clauses in their contracts? If Kristen felt harassed why didn’t she complain? Why did she follow around (her words) someone she felt was harassing her? it doesn’t add up

    • nena

      how do you know she didnt? and I find it hard to believe a non harassment clause, that is illegal, so if a director/boss does this is ok sorry wouldnt hold up in court. Have you ever been in the situtation where someone you trusted and respected came on to you? You dont know what to do. What do you mean by follow around (her words) someone she felt was harassing her? when after taht day did she follow him? And yes he was a boss and and would have been again in SWATH2. I dont see how you think she looked comfortable in those pics? Did you see him looking at the camera twice and then she did and he had a big smile on his face. Have you looked at the video and read all the problem with the pics? They are not real, and the ones that maybe are look like 2 people talking. She was set up. someone who is private and wanted to say out of the public eye when not doing her job, that hides her 4 year relationship would be so stupid to get caught?? Like I will be the first to admit if I am wrongbut I dont think so

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      In one of the clips from the filming of SWATH, just to prove a point, Kristen was about to get into an SUV and Rupert GRABBED her by the arm and YANKED her in another direction. I think they were coming off the cliff where she jumped. She looked wet and he wasn’t gentle.

    • nena

      Where do u find stuff? Nice guy why was he so mean? What would RS have over RP? Blackmail?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @nena It’s in one of the clips while they were filming. Google clips for Swath, you’ll find it. If you want me to find it now, I will, but let me go through all the messages first. RS knew KS didn’t talk to RP about him harrassing her. That was enough for him to see and think what RP saw and thought, that KS didn’t trust RP enough to tell him what Rupert was doing to her. Rupert knew KS wouldn’t do anything to upset RP to the point of going onto the set and bashing his head in. If RP did that, RS would have him arrested for assault. KS did everything in her power not to let RP know what was going on, to protect RP. That’s what RS had over RP, Kristen.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      It’s certainly possible. I’ve been there too.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      So then she already knows he can be very forceful with her. Is she scared? She is scared of the papz.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, she’s scared of him, physically and because she knows how RP would react if he knew what was really going on. If you look at the pics and the clips from the filming, you can see how she looks at him and away from him. The one where she’s standing in front of him and he’s in the director’s chair is a prime example. Look at her face, her eyes, they’re down and away. He sits there smirking and gazing at her. Look at the one where they’re on the beach, she looks upset because he’s talking so sternly to her. Look at the one where she’s following behind him, her face is angry. All of them, not one smile, totally serious and she stands away from him, unless he is reaching out to her. If you look at the pics of the premieres, he’s smirking. She looks like she’s thinking, “Get your discusting hands off me, you think you’ve got me under a barrel, but you wait.” Read her face in every one of those pictures and put yourself in her position. What would you be thinking and how would your expression look if you’re trying to have a very public appearance without flipping out. She shows a lot of restraint and a lot of disgust towards him. The pics with is hand on her waist where she’s wearing the two piece paisley dress, she looks like she wants to turn around and slap him. Look at her eyes. Also, in interviews, his words, “When I met her I was very taken by this kind of rebellious streak to her,” Rupert recently told HotHits. “She’s a very tough girl. She’s very live and physical, she runs like a sprinter, and she’ll put herself in there. If the role demands it, she’ll throw herself off a cliff or jump off a horse or whatever needs to be done.”
      Rupert also told Huffington Post that Kristen is “naughty.”
      “To me, casting is all about finding a character within the actor off the screen as much as on thescreen. I think Kristen is incredibly brave,” he said. “Well, my theory is a simple theory: She playedsuch a good version Bella Swan, people think Kristen Stewart is Bella Swan. She’s not, youknow? If you meet Kristen, she’s wildly kind of giggly and vivacious and rebellious and naughty —all things that Bella Swan isn’t.” Rupert also talked about Kristen to E! saying: “She’s very strong and very driven, and I think that’s true in her personal life. She’s got a big weight of the world on her shoulders and she carries it incredibly well.” In a video interview about him being infatuated with her, he said, “I made her do some “horrible things.” Now look at those comments and realize what he’s saying:”She’s rebellious”, yes, because she refused his advances.”She’s a very tough gir”l, yes, because she fought back with her mouth.”She’s very live and physical”, yes, because she pushed him away, possibly even slapped and kicked him a few times for being so forward and disrespectful, which he probably likes it rough and took it as playful. You know, “Girls don’t really mean “NO” when they say no, they just want more coaxing, it excites them.”"She runs like a sprinter”, yeah, from him! “She’ll put herself in there”, yeah, she fights her own battles because she knows RP would deck him and get arrested.”She’ll throw herself off a cliff or jump off a horse or whatever needs to be done”, Yes, she did that, by not telling RP what he was doing because he was more important to her than her own self respect. She did do whatever needed to be done.”Kristen is naughty”, yes, because she kept it secret from RP. “To me, casting is all about finding a character within the actor off the screen as much as on the screen.” Yes, she has so much character that she put up with his crap, professionally, still helping him with the directing, regardless of his actions, wanting the film to be sucessful and wanting to walk away from it with her head held high with pride that would over ride the humiliation he put her through.”I think Kristen is incredibly brave”, yes, she fought him every step of the way, knowing he had the power to ensure her the sequel and have RP join them. Not to mention keep his advances and brutality a secret from RP. She was very brave to defy and reject him, in his eyes, but not hers. She was always, only thinking about RP and how everything would effect him. “Well, my theory is a simple theory: She played such a good version Bella Swan, people think Kristen Stewart is Bella Swan. She’s not, you know? If you meet Kristen, she’s wildly kind of giggly and vivacious and rebellious and naughty — all things that Bella Swan isn’t.” Yes, and that’s what he likes most, what attracts him to her, like a fly to sugar and he can’t resist. Liberty knew this and encouraged it to better her career, divorce her husband publicly with his own hand and humiliation and get her revenge on KS for her jealousy because LR no longer interested her husband. She was lonely and alone all the time, unhappy before they moved to the US and on the virge of divorce with an ending career in modeling. She had to find a way to survive, make a new career in acting. She’s too old for modeling. She needed the fame and fortune, especially since she lost Rupert, years ago and knew it was about to come to a head. Their marriage was ending without KS involved and she used KS to solve her problem by feeding Ruperts insult from her, RP and giving him a way to take revenge, boosting his name for his career in the process so she can take him for all she can. Yes, KS is scared of the papz. One of the papz caught her at the airport and asked her if she like sucking his dick. It was on YouTube and they removed it because of all the complaints about how inappropriate it was. She’s afraid of the papz because they can do and say whatever they want. Her bodyguards are constantly getting into physical altercations with them. I’d be afraid of them too, if I were in her shoes. I can’t imagine how she does it.Yes, KS is scared of the papz. One of the papz caught her at the airport and asked her if she like sucking his dick. It was on YouTube and they removed it because of all the complaints about how inappropriate it was. She’s afraid of the papz because they can do and say whatever they want. Her bodyguards are constantly getting into physical altercations with them. I’d be afraid of them too, if I were in her shoes. I can’t imagine how she does it.

      Rupert also told Huffington Post that Kristen is “naughty.”

      “To me, casting is all about finding a character within the actor off the screen as much as on the screen. I think Kristen is incredibly brave,” he said. “Well, my theory is a simple theory: She played such a good version Bella Swan, people think Kristen Stewart is Bella Swan. She’s not, youknow? If you meet Kristen, she’s wildly kind of giggly and vivacious and rebellious and naughty — all things that Bella Swan isn’t.” Rupert also talked about Kristen to E! saying: “She’s very strong and very driven, and I think that’s true in her personal life. She’s got a big weight of the world on her shoulders and she carries it incredibly well.” In a video interview about him being infatuated with her, he said, “I made her do some “horrible things.”
      Now look at those comments and realize what he’s saying:
      “She’s rebellious”, yes, because she refused his advances.
      “She’s a very tough gir”l, yes, because she fought back with her mouth.
      “She’s very live and physical”, yes, because she pushed him away, possibly even slapped and kicked him a few times for being so forward and disrespectful, which he probably likes it rough and took it as playful. You know, “Girls don’t really mean “NO” when they say no, they just want more coaxing, it excites them.”
      “She runs like a sprinter”, yeah, from him!
      “She’ll put herself in there”, yeah, she fights her own battles because she knows RP would deck him and get arrested.
      “She’ll throw herself off a cliff or jump off a horse or whatever needs to be done”, Yes, she did that, by not telling RP what he was doing because he was more important to her than her own self respect. She did do whatever needed to be done.
      “Kristen is naughty”, yes, because she kept it secret from RP.
      “To me, casting is all about finding a character within the actor off the screen as much as on the screen.” Yes, she has so much character that she put up with his crap, professionally, still helping him with the directing, regardless of his actions, wanting the film to be sucessful and wanting to walk away from it with her head held high with pride that would over ride the humiliation he put her through.
      “I think Kristen is incredibly brave”, yes, she fought him every step of the way, knowing he had the power to ensure her the sequel and have RP join them. Not to mention keep his advances and brutality a secret from RP. She was very brave to defy and reject him, in his eyes, but not hers. She was always, only thinking about RP and how everything would effect him.
      “Well, my theory is a simple theory: She played such a good version Bella Swan, people think Kristen Stewart is Bella Swan. She’s not, you know? If you meet Kristen, she’s wildly kind of giggly and vivacious and rebellious and naughty — all things that Bella Swan isn’t.” Yes, and that’s what he likes most, what attracts him to her, like a fly to sugar and he can’t resist. Liberty knew this and encouraged it to better her career, divorce her husband publicly with his own hand and humiliation and get her revenge on KS for her jealousy because LR no longer interested her husband. She was lonely and alone all the time, unhappy before they moved to the US and on the virge of divorce with an ending career in modeling. She had to find a way to survive, make a new career in acting. She’s too old for modeling. She needed the fame and fortune, especially since she lost Rupert, years ago and knew it was about to come to a head. Their marriage was ending without KS involved and she used KS to solve her problem by feeding Ruperts insult from her, RP and giving him a way to take revenge, boosting his name for his career in the process so she can take him for all she can. Yes, KS is scared of the papz. One of the papz caught her at the airport and asked her if she like sucking his dick. It was on YouTube and they removed it because of all the complaints about how inappropriate it was. She’s afraid of the papz because they can do and say whatever they want. Her bodyguards are constantly getting into physical altercations with them. I’d be afraid of them too, if I were in her shoes. I can’t imagine how she does it.
      Yes, KS is scared of the papz. One of the papz caught her at the airport and asked her if she like sucking his dick. It was on YouTube and they removed it because of all the complaints about how inappropriate it was. She’s afraid of the papz because they can do and say whatever they want. Her bodyguards are constantly getting into physical altercations with them. I’d be afraid of them too, if I were in her shoes. I can’t imagine how she does it.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      You are getting way out of hand with this. She liked him. A lot. You can see it at the premieres and on the set and during interviews. She may have gotten mad at him at times and showed it. But that’s because she felt comfortable getting angry at him. I don’t think it’s easy getting mad at Rob. Don’t go overboard on this. More control. Yes she fears the papz because she can’t find a way to deal with them the way Emma Stone and Andrew can. She needs to do that and Rob does too.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      She liked him, a lot, until he put her in compromising positions and came between her & RP. Sorry, I disagree on this one. The pics in the premiere only show her being tolerant an professional. I don’t see anything more than her doing her job like any other actress so she doesn’t let on about his advances and her feelings about them, whatever they are. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I don’t see that at all. Especially during the interviews.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      RS also used the phrase “Twilight Prison” when referring to Kristen–during interviews. And he said he saw ALL her films but did NOT view any Twilight films.

    • nena

      where do you find this stuff? Why was he being mean? Hey what does RS have on RP your theory?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Don’t go there nena. Both are from the UK. They can read each other.

    • lillicat

      I saw that one also.

    • D. Martin

      Is this on the DVD? I had not seen that.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      No, it was a clip I saw on a web article about behind the scenes. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      wow!

    • D. Martin

      @jenna – Nine times out of ten the director is picked first and he’s involved in casting. See the Cronenberg interviews — he cast Rob to get financiing for his project. Same with SWATH. He was her boss and was getting ready to be again as – at that time – there were public talks regarding a sequel. So yes, he was her boss and was getting ready to be again.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes

    • lillicat

      And he had promised her script writing privileges with SWATH2.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Lots of carrots there.

    • D. Martin

      Oh gosh! That’s right! Didn’t she mention this in an interview?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Because she wanted to do the sequel to SWATH and Rupert said it was already in the works. Kristen wanted RP to be in the cast. She & Rupert said he was invited. Read my post. The link to the article is there.

    • lillicat

      I wish she would use some of the ferocity she is capable of on his ass. Grrrrr…

    • jenna

      ^ See this is how it’s done – this is an opinion, not a lie spread to further muddy the water. Aitch Slavic, I think it’s possible. However, by my experience and observation, lust and infatuation dissipate quickly after a cold unexpected splash of water on the face.

    • D. Martin

      Because I’ve seen it first hand. My brother got his heart broken and lost 30 lbs. Another friend’s boyfriend left her and she dropped 23. When you’re that upset it’s difficult to eat. One or two bites and your done. If you try to eat more you feel nauseous. When it happened to me I dropped 4 dress sizes.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      I”ve only notice weight loss on Kristen at TIFF–no one else.

    • D. Martin

      When Rob intially appears to promote Cosmopolis it was mentioned that he looked thinner.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      yeah! a lot of people have said that about Rob.
      Kristen already couldn’t afford to lose 10lbs.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      yeah! a lot of people have said that about Rob.
      Kristen already couldn’t afford to lose 10lbs.

    • D. Martin

      When Rob intially appears to promote Cosmopolis it was mentioned that he looked thinner.

    • nena

      I have also, drastic wt loss in a short time!!

    • D. Martin

      Exactly. When I was going through it I was seeing a psychologist. When I told her I could not eat she told me it was anger and anxiety. I normally have a very healthy appetite but when I was going through this I would eat one or two bites and just be done — no appetite. And if someone tried to make me eat I felt sick. This is why people need to keep a support system around them — to ensure that they don’t get too far gone.

    • lillicat

      Absolutely! When LR got the gig during Fashion Week in NY, she would have had to be her model size, would she not?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Nobody said it was an accurate indicator of emotions. They are just speculating that that might be the reason.

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      that ok

    • http://profiles.google.com/holly.slavic Aitch Slavic

      Oh so is it drowning in a pint of B and J or starving and living off Red Bull?

    • jenna

      That’s my point. It was a tabloid story planted to earn sympathy. To make Kristen look contrite. If I were her PR agent, I’d have done the same.

    • nena

      funny thing is everything that supposedly from RP or KS comes from a “source” just like the apology, not a quote from them or a agent, manager, not like from Libs mouth, she cant deny anything when it is a quote from them

    • jenna

      yeah, that is funny. RP and KS stand behind their management and PR. Liberty speaks for herself. What approach do you prefer?

    • lillicat

      I think they are smart to keep their mouths closed for now.

    • D. Martin

      Agreed.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Libert’s if that is true.

    • lillicat

      But the stories of LR/RS marriage issues and affairs were way before Kris ever filmed SWATH.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Please don’t say that. You’re kidding right?

    • lillicat

      She had to get ready for the runway in NY.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      And no she doesn’t hate this attention, she craves it as she denies it. this is what women see in her, why they think she is a hypocrite. She isn’t. She’s just a woman with very little self awareness. Everything for her is on the outside. If she looks perfect that all is well, and she must be perfect as it suits every occasion, perfectly dressed. she must say the perfect thing when asked a question. This is a woman we should be very careful of. She is very fragile. And maybe dangerous, if robin is correct about her website pictures. Scary.

    • nena

      you mean all her naked pics

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      What naked pictures? Link?

    • lillicat

      There are the naked pictures of her on the video with the pink star over her pube. She is very thin in that one.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Now I remember seeing that. OMG that is so sick that she would do that. Robin is right. She is off the wall.

    • lillicat

      Very astute!

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      She says it in such a way as to deny that she is. She has done this sort of thing a number of times. this is what’s called “the narcissistic defense”. We know she is narcissistic because of her profession as it attracts narcissistic personalities. What this means is that her defense mechanism are very primitive, low level. We also know she is anal retentive, excessively exacting about her house, how it was remodeled, her clothes, the way her children are dressed (say as opposed to Angelina’s children’s clothes)well, all must be perfect. She must be perfect. She must not display her feelings in public. She must be perfect at all times. She is in trouble, deep trouble. And Rupert evidently likes very young girls, perhaps even children if he dared. Being a small woman I know this looking back at boys and men I dated, that that smallness, childlike innocence was very attractive to them. I only see this now in precession, looking back.

    • nena

      no one was on this morning besides me and D Martin and we didnt back down, she just kept attacking, I kept thinking where is janet, robin, lillycat to help me lol

    • lillicat

      Well we are here now. I had to work, ugh. Reports due, and the state and my clients probably wouldn’t be understanding about my obsession of blogging with you all. I just love it.

    • D. Martin

      R U on twitter?

    • D. Martin

      I totally agree with you on the narcissism aspect of this. For anyone interested I highly recommend “The People of the Lie” by M. Scott Peck.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      God I love that book too. Oh that case of the family with the brother who suicided and then giving the same gun he used as a birthday present to the younger son who is not depressed over the death of his brother. Sort of like Tyler in Remember Me.

    • D. Martin

      Oh gosh! That’s the case that stands out for me as well! Are you on twitter. Need to ask you something…

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Yes am on it because of the video but am having a hard time with it. Try. I still haven’t figured out how to follow unless I get an email with a click in it. I can’t find out how to translate Ai Wei Wei. Sometimes a translater comes up but it won’t act as default for me.

      O that case. I held my breath reading it. You have to read Francoise Dolto’s Dominique: Analysis of An Adolescent Boy. It’s the best in all of the literature. Dolto was Lacan’s partner in Psychoanalysis and when he was excommunicated she went with him and took her students. Dolto was Lacan’s analyst which I just found out a few months ago. She was the clinical version of him. Dominique is a close shave too.

    • sam

      I want call me 209 205 6033 gril only

    • D. Martin

      Sweetie. I’m not going to call you an thereby give you my cell number and you should not post your number on forums like this. It’s dangerous.

  • nena

    I was so so mad yesterday when I read the Hollywood lies article about poor Lib and her bday plans, Yes HL isnt truthful BUT even they have to get it right once in a while especially when it come straight from the horses mouth, or is it female dogs mouth? I dont not understand people who thought she was so innocent now cant see what this person has done. Who is hurt and devastated? It isnt her, try KS and RP even tho he is being a dick. This all better come out soon or KS may waste away to nothing.

    • D. Martin

      Why do you think RP is being a d*ck? Just curious…Not trying to open this up for a heated debate or anything I’m really just curious…

    • nena

      IDK Im just wondering if he is listening to his manager Nick who does not like KS. Maybe he is telling RP bad things about KS because she likes indie movies and so did RP but not as much money in indie movies so his manager doesnt get as much. I dont know how much Summit has said to them about not being seen in public together until BD2 so Summit can get the most money out of them. He may not be acting like one, I just wish it was done so they can get their lives back together or apart.

    • D. Martin

      Nick doesn’t like KS? Was this before or after the scandal? First I’ve heard of it.

    • nena

      I think before,

    • D. Martin

      Dang! Why? Because Rob’s image? Not good for him to be in a relationship?

    • nena

      No I’m not really sure k and r like indie movies but don’t make as much money idk, this is all so confusing I think I change my ideas every hour, set up, pr prank idk I’m going crazy

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      That’s what a media manufactured SPECTACLE is supposed to do to you. Make you crazy.

    • nena

      Oh I know, I’ll never let them know tho don’t want to give them the satisfaction

    • lillicat

      That piece on the rumored “marriage or else” BS demand from Rob over on GC smacks of being penned by Nick. None of their true fans believed for a second that crap was true. We never even felt the need to comment on it. But it has gotten what over 15,000 comments in one day? Give me a break.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      They are running scared. We are after Goliath. Take a look at what I just did on crushable. I might get murdered before morning.

    • lillicat

      Lock your doors.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      It’s Nick Frenkel all right. Please keep using his last name. I want it smeared all over every time we talk about him.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @abbeysbooks:disqus & @lillicat:disqus I did tell you it was coming in the first article I joined you. It’s all scripted.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Help I need those pics of Rupert looking at the camera. One in the car and one standing. The standing one is NOT with a surprised look, just a direct gaze. Do you have them? Mine has disappeared.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, Where do you want them sent? How? Also, went to your site. There’s the one of RS looking into the camera as he’s kissing KS there. Exactly which ones are you wanting? I can send you all the ones I have if you want them.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      It seems I had a better one than the one I posted. You can send them to my email: seymourblogger @ gmail Please. all I need are the sitting in the car and standing one of his looking. I have the standing one of surprise on his face but it’s the other one I want, just a direct look. Did you like the post. I never expected it to turn out like that. It just sort of wrote itself.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Didn’t you read me? He’s not kissing her. We don’t know. Read it again.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Did you get them?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Yes. I emailed you back. You are awesome. How do you send pics so well.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I sent them, did you get them?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam
    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      No but it isn’t important. Just blurb blurby stuff.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      It’s supposed to be about Rupert Sanders’ filing a lawsuit.
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I don’t think he is stupid enough to do this. It is a big mistake if he does.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      We already discussed this.
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Did you see this shit?
      Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 20:53:37 +0000
      To: robinvandam@hotmail.com

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Abrams research communications company – for “social media campaigns” Now if this isn’t a social media campaign I don’t know what one is. Gossip Cop leading the way with its expose image NOT!. They are all in bed together I just know it, but there will never be any proof. Never mind. Proof is not needed. Just credibility. Get it out there and then watch them try to squirm out of it.

      I like your site.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Which one (site)? Yes I agree they are all in it together. How could they not be? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Well, well, that was interesting! Should I tweet it?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: Kristen Stewart And Robert Pattinson Are Using Their Reunion To Set Up Their Inevitable Break-Up

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      What if – just another speculation – Rupert looks at the camera – this look being a “floating sign” signalling he suspects something, but a mask dissembling that there is no camera there? I like this one.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      You mean denying to himself that the camera sees him or reasuring KS and himself that it’s not really there? Refusing to accept it or chosing to ignore it because it interfear with his intentions and desires? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      If he has done this then he knows the camera is not there. But when they are photoshopped in then his eye must be open in one at least, and his face turned towards where the “camera would be” by the wall. This makes the scene look as if they are caught. And US Weekly made up this story that the papz told them about what they did to get the shots, what RS?KS did, where it was, etc. All lies. Now who told US Weekly the lies? Or did USWEekly make up the lies to have a story to go with the pictures? Did US Weekly know they were fake or did they not, or did they just look the other way? IDK.

      There are so many possibilities here.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Did you read what the article said? “This is his way of not having to get in front of the camera.” That says it all. There’s your floating sign. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      His eye is the “floating sign”. Appearing to affirm what it is masking: the emptiness of what it pretends to signify.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, I understood that. He knows it’s there, in his imagination because he knows what he’s doing, but it’s not really there, so he has to imagine it there and react as if it were. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Yes.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      This was the comment from that pic: “Does anyone else think maybe Kristen was “sleeping over” one night and lost her shirt under the bed or something, so Rupert gave her one of Liberty’s tshirts to wear?” Little did they know their post was amo! I reblogged it and changing the comments to read, “Does anyone else think maybe LR photoshopped herself into that makeout session with RS or do you think Kristen was “sleeping over” one night and lost her shirt under the bed or something, so Rupert gave her one of Liberty’s tshirts to wear?” Waiting for your responce before I hit the button to post it! I’m gonna pee my frilly victorian panties! Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Hold. I gotta get him out of here.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      It’s a generic T shirt.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      She’s making fun of anyone who thinks it is important that they are wearing the same T shirt.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I have e-mailed Greg, my step-son and asked him to contact his friends in LA. I am sure he will convince them to do this for us as quickly as possible. I will follow through with my commitment to you as far as these pics go, after this, I am done. I’m sorry, but I can’t do it anymore. I didn’t realize how it has been affecting me, physically and with the time I am spending with my family. My blood pressure has me bleeding through my skin, like stimata. No sores, just blood seeping through. I have to stop. If this is affecting me this way, can you imagine how it’s affecting everyone else involved? I’m just an outsider. They are directly involved and are carrying the weight of this on their shoulders, with no choice in the matter. Unlike them, I have a choice and I have to chose what is best for me and my family. Thank God, I’m not a reporter and have to destroy lives like they do. I couldn’t do it. I can’t do it. They are in control of their own lives and have the ability to chose for themselves. They know the consequences of what they are doing and those consequences will catch up to them, one way or another. They have managed to live their lives without my help and don’t need me prying or causing any more disturbances than they cause themselves. I meant what I said in my letter and when I get the pics from Greg, my task is done. I just pray my commitment to you and this cause doesn’t cause irreparable damage. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Oh, what time of day do you want the pics taken (time in LA)?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Look at this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2218337/Kristen-Stewart-Robert-Pattinson-time-Rupert-Sanders-scandal.html?ito=feeds-newsxml Notice the comments under the pics? They don’t look relaxed and happy to me! Kristen looks like she’s being spoken to harshly and Rob looks pissed. Look at how tight he’s holding his cell phone. In the third pic with just Rob, he really looks pissed. and in the forth, he’s leaning in as if he is yelling at her with the bodyguard leaning toward Kristen as if he is about to jump in between them. Is it me or what? I didn’t think the pics from last night looked so good either. Rob looked like he was ignoring her and she looked miserable. Her eyes are all puffy, like she’s tired or was crying. I’m sorry, I don’t see anything happy about any of these pictures. Do you?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      The links won’t work. I just saw the video outside and I agree with you. I also thought they knew they were being photographed. Can you get me the link? I only see the one pic everyone has. He is going to be pissed while they are photographing him.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2218337/Kristen-Stewart-Robert-Pattinson-time-Rupert-Sanders-scandal.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

      Regards,

      Robin Van Dam

      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Got it. email coming.

    • lillicat

      Abbeysbooks can vouch for this- both Rob and Kris want to do Indie movies, but the indies don’t make the $$$ the way blockbusters do. Summit/LG is now a huge player in HW, thanks to Kris and Rob; and Nick wants in on that action. BTW, RP&KS are no good to Summit now as a couple. KS will not play their game, and my guess is she is out of there as soon as BD2 is over. Nick wants Rob to stay in the “corral” of actors like AK, AG? Abbeysbooks opinion is that Rob will not stay, but he(Nick) can’t let Kris influence Rob to do Indies, because it will affect his wallet.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Correct. Summit & Lionsgate are taking the same approach as disney. Wanting to bind them into contracts that tie them only to their movies, but KS sees the value (career wise) in indie films and knows as an independent her reputation will be stronger because indie films have more substance, purpose and meaning in them that the public will appreciate more. KS pushes RP towards being a great actor. Summit & Lionsgate just want the blockbusters to make money and don’t care about the actors reps. Funny thing is, RP did “Remember Me” with Pierce Brosnan and in an interview, I remember him saying he warned RP about trapping himself by stereotyping himself, like in Twilight. Cronenberg even said it, “Twilight could have ruined RP’s career.” abbeysbooks, don’t go off on me because I mentioned one of the people you detest. I know already. LOL!

    • curioushairedgal

      Sorry for butting in, just a couple of thoughts. Issue with Cronenberg isn’t that he said it (don’t know where, though, so would appreciate the link or sth). It’s that he felt summoned to say it and thus present himself as ‘the savior’ of Rob’s career. The knowledgeable, experienced, avantgarde blablabla director who pulled R out of Twi claws. Rob did wonderful in Twi,given the script and other things. The fact that it was beyond most of the people who automatically enclosed it into franchise/blockbuster/teen movie box is their miss, not R’s. So with this statement, Cro just made himself another typical member of the mass who didn’t see that Edward was played very well. While, augmenting his own importance, of course.Not very avantgarde, yes? Rather judgemental, no? He did the same thing with his comments on Nolan’s The Dark Knight Rises. And some people would say Cro’s movies are very stereotypical as well, in terms of their subject matter, directing, general mood etc. But, because it’s Cronenberg, the public is, what, supposed to just accept it, treat it as director’s stamp and go along? So Cro isn’t really in position to judge who and what could ruin careers.And he did R no favor considering what Cosmopolis is and what it could have been. Although evidently, Cronenberg himself thinks he made all the difference (cause R would be lost to stereotypes if he hadn’t came along and ‘discovered’ him on the tube) and that’s detestably self-glorifying.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, I agree with your comments and acknowlege Cro’s own self indulgent ego is at play, wanting to “Shine” brighter as the one that “made” or “saved” RP’s career. It’s to his benefit to do that so the fans will believe he’s the greatest director in the world and he’s making all the right moves because of his unique films. The public does buy into it. The reality is, Cro’s films are taylored for a specific crowd that thinks they are intellectuals and smart enough to get his “unique” films, when actually, they are so far out in left field, most of the public doesn’t get it and just goes to see them to “keep up with the intellectuals”. Its like keeping up with the Jones’. False and pretentious.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Here’s the link to the video of the interview: http://robpattinson.blogspot.com/2012/08/david-cronenberg-talks-about-rob-and_30.html that the articles translated to this: http://www.ivillage.com/director-robert-pattinson-twilight-almost-ruined-his-career/1-a-484043 Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      You’re going crazy because there are two manipulations going on here. One is taking advantage of the other. It’s meant to be confusing. Ever see the movie, “Wag the dog”? That’s what’s going on here. It first started with Summit manipulating the cast, pairing them up to give the fans what they wanted. Their fairy tale. It was meant to get Summit out of near bankrupcy (damn spelling!) Then Lionsgate and Summit decided to merge because Lionsgate was about to go bankrupt. Lionsgate (Universal) realized what Summit did to get them out of the hole, took a chance on RS as director, after taking his $$$ to help fund it and Summit sat back during the negotiations, hoping SWATH would fail and they could grab Lionsgate cheep. SWATH didn’t fail because of KS & fans so they decided to do sequels, lining up 3 for a series, like “Once Upon A Time” on TV. Summit wasn’t happy, stock just went up on Lionsgate, meanwhile, LR & RS unknowingly played their part, much to Summits surprise and Summit pulled the rains on RP & KS telling them they signed a binding contract stating they would pose as a couple during the Twilight Sagas and break up after BD2 to strip away their “Vampire images” so they could go on to do other films, not always be seen as Edward & Bella, breaking the spell on the public. This was Summit’s original plan but RP & KS really did fall in love and didn’t want to do a public breakup. RS & LR gave Summit the means to push the breakup, stood by after giving the order to stay out of the public eye (be seen as the happy couple) until the BD2 tour. Everything has been timed perfectly and the media has been helping with the conspiracy because it is being controlled by Nick through GC and Nick wants KS out of the way because she is on to everything that is going on, swaying RP, who has an innocent heart, to see the reality of what this is really doing and how they have all, especially Nick, manipulated them as much as the public. Now, I bet you’re really confused. LOL. That’s the short version. I can’t even think about writing out the long version.

    • nena

      ha, So do you think LS and RS were in on it or are 2 things going on at the same time independent of each other in the beginning? That LS and RS set up KS and RP for there own benefit and Summit just let it happen? Do u think RS harassed KS and took advantage of her?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I think Summit & Lionsgate just let it happen. Summit wanted them split to break the illusion of the fairytale and keep in line with the contract so BD2 would get the publicity, just as you see it. KS & RP are truly in love, don’t want to split and want to get on with their lives. Stop and think, there were warnings of the split. RP makes a statement 6-8 wks before the scandal about how he doesn’t understand “cheating”. KS makes the statement her life is boring and wishes someone would “f–k her over” then makes the statement about wanting to have his babies and how much they love the way they smell to each other. These are all pre-scripted and planned remarks, warning us of the impending actions to come. We are being fed the script before the scene and no one is paying attention enough to say, “We’re on to you” they’re just saying crap like, “She knew how he felt about cheating and she did this?” and “She said she wanted to be f–ked over, careful what you wish for!” RP’s friends are saying he wants to marry her. She says she doesn’t want to get married. Now look at the tabs. RP giving ultimatum. They are still under contract until BD2 is out, so they need to keep the public on edge, waiting to see what will happen next. Some people subconsciously see this, like the ones that are saying, “We’ll see after BD2.” It’s all scripted, like Ted Cassablanca said. Like Angelina Jolie said. This is not a new game and has been done many times.

    • nena

      I would feel like a big fake if I was them, to be used like this and have to say this crap. Its just what they supposedly hate fake stuff. Well after BD2 is over they can just be, I would be more careful signing the next contract to avoid this crap. After all this Im surprised KS did want to do another franchise.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Remember, they were both very young and Angelina Jolie said it was nothing new, they try to pull this sh-t all the time.

    • nena

      well I would have a hard ass entertainment lawyer with me

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Summit just let it happen. SWATH was Universals shot at making it or breaking it. They wanted RS to direct SWATH2 and were negotiating with Summit to keep him as part of the deal.SWATH was a test for Rupert if Summit & Lionsgate merged.

    • nena

      wwell wasnt it lucky for Summit that they hired a discusting guy and his wife to direct SWATH! I still wonder if they had RS an LS do this on purpose to KS?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @nena How could they possibly know what LS & RS ulterior motives would be? I don’t think LR & RS would even discuss their intentions with Lionsgate Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • nena

      Oh Robin, I was being funny you silly girl

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      So was I…you silly woman! ;)
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    • nena

      well good, have you read anything from Twilighter, or justice or Kristen? same place really, good reading. u should

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, I read it all. I agree with a lot of it.
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    • nena

      alot of the info is stuff we have come up with here, I goingto sleep

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      What are the goals at this time? Just to try to razzle the tabs? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Keep finding where they are exerting power in this matrix and meet them there to resist. they have backed off the pics now and are onto stories. We could make up some wild stories. Drown them in stories. A fantastic wedding with plans, the menu and all! A pregnancy that from an ultrasound is revealed to be half werewolf!

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      LMAO! They already did that one in a video. “Carisle delivered a bouncing baby huskey” Look, I told nena, they are running a script. KS already said she wanted to have his babies. It’s in the works, just like the wedding crap. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I still want a video of a couple trying to get it on in the front seat of a Mini Cooper. I can’t imagine anything funnier than that.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      LMAO I’ll get my son to rent one and go at it with an unkown. LOL! Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Go for it!

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      LMAO! Still trying to absorb your other email. How do you even begin a class action law suit to acomplish this? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’m not sure. But if Abrams of Gossip Cop is tite with Summit suits and Frenkel is tite with Abrams, and Nick Frenkel is feeding gossip Cop the leaks of soupy shit, they will have the means to bring any actor to heel on the leash. They won’t have to say a word because everyone will know what they did to Stewart. Now we need to make this go viral. Tweeting. And I’m no good at it! I need to get good!

      Guess what! Heard Summit suits crashed Stewart to crash SWATH to get Universal!

      How’s that.

      We can ask lawyers. I bet there’s someone out there who would like to do a class action with those fake pics. The originals could be under supoena; any videos of Kristen looking good by pushing him away, so they had to fake them. And they would know how. And then they do them crude to hide that professionals did it. Oh what couldn’t be said in a court of law. They would settle. But no settling if there is a gag order on how much we took. Better to go to trial and ruin them.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I follow where you are but not sure how to get to where you want to go. Yes, that’s how Summit is controling RS, LR, RP & KS and keeping them to contract. I understood that from the get go. “If you don’t do what we tell you, I will make your life a living hell in the tabs not to mention sue your asses for breach of contract.” But, if you tweet your suspicions and make direct acusations, you set yourself up for liable. Careful how you proceed. Yes, ask a lawyer first. This is Goliath, which, btw, you mocked me on when I first joined your little tribe. Seriously, you said you didn’t work this way. What changed? This was my agenda at first. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I still don’t work that way. You can tweet anything you want, just say it as a question. I heard x, is that true? Some people say – that’s Katie Couric’s favorit; I’ve been wondering…..; Is it true that Rob stabbed Kristen in the heart? See what I mean.Metaphors work. Basicaly you do what they do. they say any GD thing they feel like saying. You think people want to sue them over every sentence. That’s all they would have time to do. Tweet, retweet, retweet and send it viral. Do you think they have time to trace all of them down. C’mon you’re smarter than that.

    • nena

      I don’t know. I still want to prove the pics are fake. I wonder if commenting on tabs saying the same thing over and over to get to Nick RS. And LS

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’ve been thinking of doing that with the link for the 2nd film. I can’t get them to make it as available as the other one. Maybe because it’s questionable with the Rupert Liberty photo in the beginning?

    • nena

      I have it on my desk top and from her email when she sent it

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Ask robin how she sends them thru disqus because I get hers. I am a ninny at this stuff. I still need help getting all my comments back from disqus.

    • nena

      Ok

    • nena

      hey I sent them the way she did it, did you get them?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Not yet, but I am crashing right now.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Get with abbeysbooks. I sent her a slew of pics for her to use on her blog or make her own video. Have her show them to you or discuss them with her. The pics I sent her show different discrepencies in the photos than the one Jenni used. There were a lot of errors in those pics. More than you realize. They were definately fake. We’re in a lull right now, not sure what to do to stir things up, so you’re ansy. Don’t be. You have twitter. Send out every article regarding RP, KS, RS, LR, SWATH, Lions Gate, Summit, Universal and @crushable articles that you come across. Tweet everything, including the video. I do. I rotate every day, send out articles, the video every other day & @crushable articles. My twitter account is almost ALL KS, RP, Twilight, anything and everything that has to do with the franchise. Put the articles in their faces, especially the ones you think are going to get them talking. You’ll get notices that your stuff is getting retweeted, which means it’s working. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • nena

      I printed about 31 faults from other posters and I sent that to her several days ago send me your stuff on the pics if u can the pop sugar pics can’t be put on desktop or word they must have a block or something. The twilighter has stuff about the shadows and how the pics could not have been taken when they said. We need. To get to flamefly and us weekly they are the key

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’m going to do the shadows. The shadows of Rupert as he goes over to the car as Kristen gets out. the one where the driver’s door is open and the landscape is reflected which is open and bare, not the street with the houses that is really there. Rupert’s shadow is very short. Remember during daylight saving time it is an hour earlier by the sun. It’s close to noon, maybe 1:00 by my eye which twilighter said in Punked. When they are by the wall, the clump of weeds throws a shadow by their feet that is about the same size as the clump itself. The sun is coming from the west and it lights the edges of their images. Kristen’s is softer and more natural but the one on one of Rupert’s is a sharp line that you would get with photoshopping. It looks fake. And why do their shadows not fall on the white part of the fence. It is stark white with no shadow. It seems to me that the shite part of the fence is lit by the sun in front of it leaving no shadow. Is there a shadow behind it? We don’t know.

      This is what is so off. The viewer doesn’t know where s/he is. This is what Manet did. He played a game with the viewer uprooting him/her from their designated place from which to view the painting. In Manet’s later great works, there is no firm place for the viewer to be. In these pictures by the wall there is no place for the viewer to be. If they are looking at the white part of the fence then they must be standing outside looking at it head on. But if they are then the figures would be unable to be seen, only their backs. But we see them 3/4 from the right against the sun ourselves with them in shadow, but at the same time we see the white part of the fence illuminated head on.

      And that is exactly what is wrong. That is what is upsetting people and unnerving them. They don’t know where they are in these pictures. And this is what Manet deliberately did in his paintings that so upset all of Paris 150 years ago. The masses of Americans are going through it now. These pictures are Manet inspired, rediscovered, reinvented. And it provokes moral outrage as a way to displace the fear and aggression felt at not knowing where they are when they look at these pictures. And this is what happened when Manet showed his: moral outrage; fury; insults BECAUSE the Discourse of photography has changed in an instant 2 months ago. Just as painting changed in 186x when Manet did it.

    • nena

      good!!!

    • nena

      Abbeys books wants me to ask how u send pics through disqus?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m using my hotmail account, not disqus. Disqus sends me your quirey through hotmail and I hit reply on the disqus quirey. It sends it out the same as e-mail with a disqus email to you. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Do you have links for that stuff. Someone asked how I knew about Universal taking and I knew I knew it but couldn’t remember where.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’ll have to find it. I got into the habit of converting all the webs I read to adobe. I’ll go through them. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Universal tanking. Not taking. Going bust.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I knew what you meant.
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    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Where did I see it? I can’t remember. It was around SWATH beginning?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m looking for it too.
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    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I know I’m not going to find it because I know I didn’t save it. I just read it and said to myself, another one is biting the dust.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Are you looking for something other than what I sent you? Something specific? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Just that uni on the rocks as SWATH going into produc. I gess they were hop for twi miracle

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I feel in transition. I think they are in their own hands now. But Nick Frenkel needs to be punished.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Read my reply to nena I just sent.
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Here’s one: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2012/02/summit-entertainment-layoffs-lions-gate-merger-twilight.html Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Nice.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam
    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      dead link. why???? hiding something??

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Separate them. I put them on their own lines. I don’t know why they got to you that way. Separate them at the http:// There should be 4-5 links. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      BTW It was lions gate buying Summit. They were actually merging. Both were having problems and decided to merge but Summit held off to see how strong lions gate really was.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      So Summit paid 1/2 a billion to get Lionsgate and now has control of it. Summit paid that to get the perks they wanted – read control. They are more solid now with THG. They filmed that one very well and marketed it very well. It’s an admirable film and a visionary one.

      The game now is to be bigger than the rest to survive even and do well. The whole structure of the game is changing and Summit is leading the way. Nolan’s Batman was a marvel.

      Meanwhile back at the ranch the little indies continue to gain on them. They make lots of junk too but usually pretty good. Only I’m not into pretty good any more.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I think that Summit and Lions Gate are going to be a little more frugal with the films budgets from now on. Look at the budget for SWATH & SWATH 2. Not so absorbant. Hopefully that won’t mean lesser quality in the production Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      170 mil for SWATH wasn’t cheap. SWATH 2 how much? This is universal now, not Simmit unless the back door.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Universal owns lions gate.
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    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      W H A T !!!!!!! Is this true! This is fantastic! You get what this means of course! I have received little feedback on that long post I did about the conspiracy. I’ll put it somewhere else soon. But this is perfect! Lionsgate is known for its little movies and so it is a subsidiary of Universal, so Universal got 1/2 bi fromSummit and now Summit will take Universal! Amazing! My intuition was correct in suspecting this. Watch and learn. Summit is the big dog in brains there. And that’s why Sanders got the director job for SWATH. So Sanders works for the Summit suits in the front office, so he will do what he is told. And since they are in the movie biz, They think like the movies they make. So they would cook up a plan that reads like a movie. Oh I like this. I like this very much. I just woke up.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Janet! I have been saying this all along! We are watching Twilight in real life! Everything is scripted! LR & RS is Victoria & James! Scripted from the begining! I thought you understood. I thought you had already put together that Universal owned Lions Gate. That’s why I mentioned they were thinking like Disney. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      BINGO! Disney. Of course. It does follow Twi doesn’t it. LOL! Those Summit suits will take Universal from the inside. It’s cheaper that way. Then they will be Universal. Ha ha ha ha!

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes.
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      So we need to ring their necks to this 2 month old dead dog and make the nasty twi fanatics scream and holler uncle. Public apologies to Kristen by the millions. How many million do we want from them. Public on you tube. I am so sorry Kristen for ever doubting your honesty and integrity blah blah blah.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Good luck with that! There are so many haters out there that will refuse to listen to the truth. We could try, but we need to explain in order to get them to do it. I guess, do a twitlonger with the explanation and request to show support by apologies? Tweet the twitlonger asking everyone to retweet to everyone? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’m joking. You can’t get anyone to listen long enough to even know what the truth is. You stun them instead. Preferably with Kendra’s stun gun.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Sneaky bastards aren’t they? Wag the dog!
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Not so sneaky. Just the 2 of us figured it out. Now how do we get jenni to buy it?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Just blurt it out in plain english. She listens and will come back with comments and arguements. That’s good, it will fine tune everything and put it in a clear perspective. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Who is this she you are talking about?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I was talking about Jenni. She will listen.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      jenni functions almost completely in the Order of Production. She tunes in her focus on some literal discrepancy and disregards the non-literal “knowing” in favor of facts and information. She has been taught to do this forever. Good luck on changing her thinking. Your nonsten is very interesting.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, she almost had me convinced it was KS’s obsessed, crazed mind over RP and her PR team helping her. She paints KS like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction and makes it look like RP can’t get rid of her.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      jenni? Or nonsten?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      nonsten

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’ll tell u about her sometime.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      You’ll forget. LOL
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    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Remind me. She’s a case tho.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      And yes, that’s Jenni’s tendancies due to her journalistic training and views, but that doesn’t mean she’s not listening. I guarantee you she has read everyone’s posts and is calculating, herself, where she can make her next move. Jenni is way ahead of us on this one and playing in the background.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’m counting on her.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I don’t know what you want her to do, but I’m sure she’s waiting to get the major pieces she’s looking for before releasing her bomb. I think she wants to shut down GC and get the public to back her into a media reform so they have to expose “sources” when they publish visable damaging material.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Not to me.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      LMAO! You know what would be funny? We write a script and sell it to an indie production company, exposing everything to the public. Show how the lives of children are being used to profit them and pad their pockets while the children suffer with their manipulations, humilation and violation of their privacy, unknowingly, until it’s too late, like RP & KS. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      It would make a nice documentary. They are indie tho and don’t get the coverage we want. A series of short youtube videos. A follow up.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      You would have to make it so intriguing that people would be intranced and need to know more. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      You should see what my nerdy bf did to someone. I was on an Ayn Rand site. Now there’s hate and vicious. I know Rand really well, really really well. They got very upset with me. And I got cheeky as you know I can. My bf opened an account and gamed them. Then they hacked me and corrupted my computer. Well he came over, traced it all the way back to London, we penned their member registration and there were 2 people who could have done , one in London. Well you start saying the name of a site and they hacked you and splatter that all over and they get real upset. Then he did a video and it was so funny. Here: http://randroidbelt.blogspot.com/2012/03/objectivist-livingcom-michael-stuart.html?zx=6fd4514ff844b48c You’ll love it.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      LOL the music and pic is so funny! The pic never changed. Is it supposed to?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      No. The emphasis is on the big balls repetition, and the huge balls of the animal. Actually his head should have been on it. We have one like that I think. Oh on his youtube account he has big bear (furor over sex predators dressed in kiddie costumes) chasing a little girl around a table outside. It’s funny. He sees images as images and he also knows how certain people are going to process them. The “cheating” pics are something he easily could have imagined and done. It could have been someone who hates Rob, too the May Rupert and Liberty photos and put Kristen’s face on them. Or it could have been staged with a guy playing Rupert and a woman playing Liberty and both faces put on. The car Kristen gets out of with the door reflection of a different place could have been completely made up. What I am saying is that once you question even one of them, your mind gets over active and you can see ways to question all of them. I can see all of them photoshopped, partially photoshopped, acted and staged, really there is no limit to what I can imagine now about them. My very first look was shock, like everyone else. But once you move on and get off that sticky place, Rashomon.

      Those who were trained in school with De Bono’s techniques of problem solving are way ahead of the game. He always says, that’s your first answer, so let’s get that one out of the way and go to the next, and the next, etc.Sometimes way down the line if the best one. This has occupied my mind for so long because it keeps changing. It is the changing, the way and the why that I find fascinating. And that encompasses everything else that has nothing to do with Kristen and Rob. This is a great political education we are getting her.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, I know I’m getting a huge education out of this. What do you mean by the “May” RS & LR?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      The private one by kristenpattinson513 that you can’t get to without a link says that. It’s another killer. It’s on my blog post with the other 2.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m still not understanding. I saw kristenpattinson513 video, looks like the one Jenni got viral, except the music is different. Then there’s the short one that was the very first, with RS & LR(?) (Doesn’t look like her to me) on the balcony. What does “May” mean? Made in May?

    • Guest

      Lionsgate (which Summit now is) did show a loss of $44M between April-June of this year, finance dot yahoo dot com/news financial-reports-reveal-movie-studios-205410626 dot html. However, their films have done very well this summer (Ted, Bourne Legacy, I think was there another Ice Age film) and also the top three at the box office right now are all Universal films, at least according to yahoo finance.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      This is good. 44 mil not too bad. I am guessing hunger games ate up the deficit so that the red ink was not so bad. This must have been when the Summit people replaced the Lionsgate people. We know who they will replace next. And Summit got a better brand name in Lionsgate, but the best one is yet to come. Easy to see now how Sanders got SWATH. And why.Rob is a big fish for them but not the only one in their pond. These are clever people. However they have taken the promotion spectacle to a new level and it is an expensive one. This is why the early Marx said that Capital must continue to expand, that it cannot stop until it encompasses everything. Why Baudrillard introduces the concept of irreversibility in the Order of Production, and why Zizek is so on top of it all.

    • Guest

      Can you show link that proves this? They are separate companies according to their company profiles. There is no link between them. Your link will need to be to a reputable source.

    • Guest

      Link that shows that Universal owns Lionsgate?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam
    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam
    • guest

      This link does not say anything about Universal owning Lionsgate. They are separate companies.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      The link also doesn’t tell you who won or what the outcome was. LG was in breech of contract. Who do you think won and what do you think the award was? There was no further info on the event, it was kept under lock and key, just like the certificates of ownership for LG. Universal would no waste their time or money on a suit they couldn’t win. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      This is an article about Universal suing Lions Gate. There was no further report that I could find on the out come, however, Universal would not waste their time, money or energy just to have the films destroyed. Later Universal received distribution rights to Lions Gate films and moved to LA to over see Lions Gate films. I know I am reading a lot into this, but seriously? What else could the investment possibly be other than a huge financial vested interest as part ownership? http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/universal-sues-lionsgate-over-a-movie-nobody-has-seen-or-ever-should-see.php The records are locked and I cannot access them without the proper authority to read further into this. Lions Gate has many investors that are not public record. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lions_Gate_Entertainment I know, I’m way out in left field. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lionsgate-announces-that-universal-pictures-has-acquired-distribution-rights-in-italy-to-the-hunger-games-catching-fire-the-next-installment-of-lionsgates-blockbuster-hunger-games-franchise-158549525.html Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      It may be locked by court order. It may be accessible if you are a lawyer as they have certified software to get at this stuff. Or as last resort Freedom of Information Act. I would guess they settled out of court to keep it private. You stop and we will give you this.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      No, abbeysbooks. I shouldn’t have said the statement so surely. I was putting the pieces together and came up with that conclusion. I could be wrong, but that’s how it reads to me. Also, I’m not digging anymore, it’s a waste of time. I was answering “Guest”(?) Next time, I will say “I think” and not sound so definate. I’m learning. You tried to teach me that in the begining, but I took it personally, remember? When you corrected me and said “you believe, you don’t know for sure, you can’t know for sure.” At least I had enough info to back myself up when I was questioned how I came up with my conclusion. I learned that from you too! Cover my ass! You’re a good teacher, now that I’m listening. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      You are passionately angry, angrily passionate about all this. That time is over. Now consider it as a sign from the future. What future is desiring to come into being?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Obviously getting RP to see what Nick appears to be doing, how it appears he is being manipulated by the Exec’s @ summit & LG and why. RP will fade away unless he realizes the crocadiles are in the river and they are going to eat him alive. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      That’s not a future.

      We can start there tho. We can tabloid him, invert what he is doing.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      How do you tabloid him? I don’t get it.
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’ve already started. I always refer to him as Nick Frenkel, Rob’s manager to inscribe his name the way I want it inscribed. Nick is too vague and could be anyone. I have linked him to Abrams of Gossip Cop, and I have linked with your help, them both to Summit and Lionsgate, Universal and Sanders and SWATH. The puzzle pieces are there. I don’t know how they interlock. But it will be revealed because no matter what they do they are not looking where we are looking. They are not reading the way we are reading. What we did and what we are going to do cannot be planned, cannot be specifically strategized, cannot have a lesson plan. It is an art. It is in the symbolic Order of Seduction, not the Order of Production and Replication. In other words what we have done and are going to do cannot be reproduced once it has been done. There is no template for it. That is its strength. They will see that as its weakness. This was the strength of the terrorists who did 9-11.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I think RP may be important to them because of the wide variety of BO hits in the potential future. If They can pull him aboard w/o KS they will draw the crowds with almost all the Twi-hard & Robsten/Robsessed etc… fans because he will always be the “INNOCENT” in the whole thing. No one else is as such to the public. This could bring big bucks for all of them. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Nick Frenkel Rob’s manager will farm out Rob to any studio for anything as long as there is a big fee involved. Frenkel is a fast food mentality manager and he is not looking for long term slow growth. He is looking for quick and dirty and movin’ on to the next big thing.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes and Rob hasn’t stopped. He’s on a roll.
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Herzog. Next stop.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I need to go to freakin’ college to keep up with you! Bring it on, if I understood the ringing of the bell. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Just start reading something besides those goofy articles you read.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      We can’t make him see. But tabloiding him to eternity will. Whether he is guilty or not, it will all be credible. that’s what he does. If he can’t take the heat, he should get out of the kitchen. a direct attack will provoke an opposite response. then we are back in the Discourse we don’t want to be in.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      What the heck is tabloiding him?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Tabloiding Nick Frenckel, Rob’s manager? Saying every little thing about him that we notice. How Nick Frenkel was at the NYSE with Cronenberg and Rob when Cronenberg rang the opening bell. Why didn’t Nick frenkel warn Rob how damaging that was to his image with an enitre generation of his age group, their families, their friends, their sympathizers, DeLillo disciples, reviewers, audiences, every fucking body. Far more damaging that a girl getting kissed in a car and hugged beside a wall on a residential street.

      See I just did it again. that’s what I mean. Talk the talk is OK but you gotta walk the walk. Cronenberg damaged Rob’s image and Nick Frenkel Rob’s mmanager let Cronenberg damage him when HE WAS RIGHT THERE WATCHING!

      With managers like this you don’t need enemies!

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Ok, I see what tabloiding is. Just so we’re on the same page, the damage RP (symbolic insult) displayed, with the help of Cronenberg and lack of guidence from Nick Frenckel, Rob’s manager was the blatent display of the enevitable fall of the economy, including financial institutes, S.S., trade…. Yes? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Yes. The theme of DeLillo’s Cosmopolis is that “I wanted my character to destroy cyber-capital in one day.” (youtube Krasny tape with DeLillo) DeLillo’s entire writing career has been obsession with this theme of the destruction of the exploitation of human beings by powerful governing forces aligned with capital. So Cronenberg cuts the heart out of DeLillo’s Cosmopolis and rips open the body of the novel, then betrays it by ringing the bell of the NYSE using Rob Pattinson to pimp it for him. Do you think this Judas got more than 30 pieces of silver. I bet he landed financing for future films from these capitalist investors. See how easy it is to get me to rant about it!

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      So, by ringing the bell, he betrayed the idea of the world crashing in on itself through the downfall of the governing forces aligned with capital. He showed there would be no downfall and the distruction would never happen. By doing this it made the capitalist investors happy because it ensured their finanial/financing future? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      He didn’t show that there would be no downfall, but he showed that he was aligned on the side of cyber capital. His peers were camping out on Wall Street one year ago, putting their lives on hold, while Rob was making millions and becoming part of the 1%. These young people were putting their lives on the line, getting beat up, all those things we went through during the Viet Nam War protests, of which Occupy is a continuation of that spirit. rob professes all that stuff, but he doesn’t walk the walk. He just talks the talk. Now if someone had explained to him the symbolism of what he did and how badly it could effect his career, he would have listened to what it meant. But Cronenberg’s Cosmopolis ripped the heart out of DeLillo’s novel, forbid his actors to read the book, would not let Rob interpret the character telling him to get out of his head, shut him up in interviews when he was reaching correctly by discussing time and “when I die I won’t die the world will die” straight from Ayn Rand’s mouth and aligning the character of Eric packer with Francisco d’Anconia in Atlas Shrugged, who smashed his copper mines loosing 15 million and took down hundreds of millions of investor money, just like Packer. No one has ever suggested that Francisco was a self destructive suicidal loser but Eric Packer has been called that by Cronenberg, reviewers, and academics because they don’t gt it. And let’s not even go there with Jesus turning over the tables of the money changers in the temple as Packer does in the cyber space financial temples destroying the cyber currency (read money changer market) and then shooting himself in the palm of his left hand – *STIGMATA_* which Cronenberg also betrays by having him shoot himself in the BACK of his left hand just so the resonance will not stand out.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      So, while RP’s peers were sacrificing their incomes, family needs, family time, obligations to family and employers; risking their jobs, homes, and support of their families, RP was filming and making money, climbing to the top 1%. This made him their “Judus” at that time. Now, with the film, Cosmopolis, and Cronenbergs version of the book, taking only the core of the character, Parker, and not the core of what he was doing (bringing down the capitalists), and leaving out the sacrifices made by society. it lessened/nullified the importance of their sacrifices. RP also thrust the swoard into society by ringing the bell. This made Rp their “Judus” once again because of the mockery he doesn’t realize he is serving to those that have made the sacrifices to ensure their own security in society along with their families and employers. IDk what the hell I’m saying. I think I get it, but it’s hard to explain. I don’t know how you do it. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      He betrayed the spirit of Occupy. Not only that they were getting physically bashed, and Cronenberg confabulated the meaning of Occupy when he talked about it in interviews. So he is finished. Did Rob park his brains at the door when he went to work for Cronenberg. He was seduced by the Cronenberg name of Christmases past. Cronenberg is an empty suit, just like the knight’s armor Herzog describes. the name Cronenberg is now a “floating sign” signifying running on empty. See how I get Cronenberg all the time also.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Now that, I understood. The greed and corruption of the 1% is what Occupy fights. (we all fight) because of the substandard acceptance of products (cars, food, fuel, ideals and basic family living, salaries, interest rates, interest earnings, bonus’s, insurance etc…) can no longer be tolerated and only for the rich to be able to afford at the highest quality. We (our peers) sat on the steps of Wall Street to demonstrate our intollerance to accept these things, wanting equal and fair share, getting physically bashed in the process. Cronenberg falsified the plight of the people, making their efforts meaningless and RP was his tool to tell them Fuck you as he rung the bell. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      No they were not there to say they wanted their fair share. That is what Cronenberg siad they wanted: a piece of the pie. They are far more radical than that. they want to destroy cyber capital. That is what Eric Packer did. That is what Don DeLillo had his character do. And he has been criticized for never writing a politically heroic main character Well what the hell do they think Eric Packer is if not that?

      Well they think he is a self destructive masochistic, nihilistic, cold calculating, unfeeling, suicidal person. Very few people, including those at the academic conference I presented at in April in NYC understand it either! It is clearer than the cat hairs on my chair!

      Cronenberg said in his Paris interview, and there was a place who could understand who Eric Packer was, as DeLillo was following their Baudrillard, the big C said he was suicidal.

      Suicide is in the Order of Production. Sacrifice, which is what Packer does, is in the symbolic Order of Seduction. I am fighting an army all alone on this except for one or 2 people. Would anyone have ever dared to say Ran’s Francisco d’ Anconia was a self-destructive loser? She would have killed them.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Why did Cronenberg do this to the Parker persona? Wouldn’t it have been better to paint him as he was, a politically heroic man, since it was what he was and would have served Occupy? Why did he want to destroy Occupy? Cronenberg is already in the 1%. By the time Occupy would be able to affect his lifestyle or corrupted influence, (if ever) he will be long gone. See, when I don’t have to concentrate on psychological jarva and it’s presented in every day terms, I get it. I picture it in my head with a kind of film strip or movie going on inside. This I can see and understand. I can see the protest and why they did it. I can see Cronenberg’s greed and vicious attack on Occupy. I’m sorry you had to dumb it down for me, but I’m so glad you did. It was not what I thought it was. Originally I just thought it was an attack on Occupy, their fight, and didn’t fully understand what their fight meant. Now I do. I also see the insult to DeLillo and Ran’s Francisco d’ Anconia (Which I had never heard of until today, thank you very much. Yes, I have lead a very sheltered life without books. I was busy working and taking care of my children, along with a very early adulthood.) Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Eric Packer – packed with consumer goods, packed with semen, packed with stuff, a pack rat. Not Parker. Cronenberg misread the entire book and not just this part of it. Cronenberg is a literary moron as well as a political moron. He didn’t know what the book was about that even the most junior grad student knows.

      *艾未未 Ai Weiwei* ‏@*aiww*

      RT @*sfpelosi* : “The place and time we live in the world has everything to do with how we define ourselves.” – @*aiww*

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Oh yeah, Eric not Peter, LOL! What makes you think he misread it and didn’t just use it to upset everyone (Occupy) Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Because by his own admission he read it in one sitting (it is 200 pages long) and pasted the screenplay into screenplay software in 6 days. In 2001 or so I read it in one sitting, liked it and forgot about it. When Rob was going to do it I re read it. But now after Foucault and Baudrillard, it was a different book. I have read it so many times I have lost count. Each time there is another way of reading it. After about 50 posts I came to the conclusion that the whole book is one floating sign. It is deceptively accessible; it reveals and conceals everything in it. It is a multi layered book that falls into a multi layered matrix of multi dimensions. I have heard Cronenberg speak about it. He understands nothing. Just the 6 youtube interviews of DeLillo and Krasny would have cleared up so much for him. He is so fucking arrogant he didn’t even try as he thought he got it. I’m still trying to get it.

      *艾未未 Ai Weiwei* ‏@*aiww*

      RT @*sfpelosi* : “The place and time we live in the world has everything to do with how we define ourselves.” – @*aiww*

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Now that you say that, I remember him saying he read it in one sitting and wrote the screenplay immediately. I never gave it much thought, I just shrugged it off as he knew what he was doing. The problem is as it was just explained, he didn’t care. He saw what he thought was an easy mark and went for it, claiming he was attempting to do what others could not or would not attempt and hoping the public would just accept it as an “Artsy Film”, as he put it. “Very complex and you can’t miss anything if you want to understand it. Its for the intellectual crowd.” Now I understand he was full of shit. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      He used the exact dialogue from DeLillo’s Cosmopolis to give it a mask asserting authenticity, when in fact, it was asserting the opposite. And he was piggy backing off DeLillo’s stellar name.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yeah, so the film would appear to as in the book and give the audience familiarity to the character. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • curioushairedgal

      Cause he doesn’t believe in anything, isn’t enchanted with anything but disillusioned…like when you think you’ve been too long on this planet, that there’s nothing new for you, you’ve seen it all and you just don’t care any more but it’s all underneath intellectual pose hiding such disenchantment….saw the movie last night. It leaves one empty.Nothing but soundbited lines from the book to quote just 4 fun, people coming and going, through the limo, through life, everything just flat.
      Sorry 4 butting in, different time zone and I usually just read abbey’s convos with y’all.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      By all means, butt in! You are more than welcome. Thanks for the explanation. I would imagine it to be very true. He didn’t seem to really care about any message with the film during the interviews and was very harsh on Packer’s persona, leaving the listeners to believe he was just a crazy suicidal drone, which he was not. Cronenberg really missed his mark on this. Thank you again. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Oh god you just saw it too. It’s enough to make the angels weep. I did see Giamatti’s horror at his bloody hand; the stigmata registering not just the blood.

    • curioushairedgal

      One thing I felt translated perfectly is that it’s just a dialogue. It’s all about what’s being said, and it’s logical when you strip away everything else, what’s not words did not translate. Except in Giamatti. It was all so rushed, pressed for time. Funnily, the whole time I was kinda attempting to put myself in the shoes of someone who would just go to the movies and see it, not knowing anything,just getting the surface of the thing, the literal death of it all. Couldn’t really do it, couldn’t be indifferent.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I saw it once then went back. That way it jelled for me. All the holes, not just the theme and heart. Hampshire played Jane like a junkie with a monkey on her back. As for FACES, I happen to know for sure, the math geniuses did not have math faces, nor body language of math people. Hampshire’s face was simply not believable as a currency specialist. The young guys had no idea what they were saying. there movements were just random to put movement in the frame. Movement as prop! Kevin Durand was very good but not believable as Torval -( lav, rot/rat). His face is too sensitive and nuanced. Just imagine Tom Hardy from TDKR, now he is the perfect Torval. Heavy, strong, sinister. And the way Rob ran like a girl after the papz in the pie scene. That scene was incompetent and he kept getting away and saying more lines when you couldn’t figure out why they were letting him go. I think just to give him screen time instead of cash. I must stop now tonight on this. Gadon is good I think. I think the Cronenberg did the whole thing on the cheap with all his family working on it to rake in more dough. He got 20 mil production cost and I bet most of it went into his retirement kitty. It felt rushed because the whole thing was rushed. Reading, pasting it into the screenplay software, shooting so fast, editing, and getting to Cannes in 1 year so his son could show his Ballard rip off at Cannes (terrible reviews) but as a sort of gift to the old man of former fame. The whole thing was to ride on Rob’s back and then pimp him. Doesn’t that boy ever learn. Why does Nick Frenkel, Rob’s manager permit this shit. Why didn’t he warn him about the disaster ok insulting Occupy. Instead he is there smiling and pleased as can be while Rob trashes his image with his entire generation representing the 1% while they are on the lines. No solidarity there.

      I’ll stop I’ll stop I will I will.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      The 2nd time I saw it there were 7 college students there. so I talked to them after and none of them had read it. One talkative guy said,

      :”It reminded me of that Re Rover (?) TV program when people have to say something in a foreign language without knowing what it means.”

      And that was exactly it. All of them were saying lines that didn’t have any meaning for them. Binoche’s were accessible for her, and some of Eric for Rob, and the pie one, Gadon was OK, but as well as Samatha Morton said them she didn’t have a clue and the entire time she is saying them C has the car being rocked and the demonstration noise intruding so you couldn’t understand the meaning of what she was saying. Even I couldn’t understand. If someone is spouting something complex that they don’t understand themselves, they cannot communicate understanding to you even though the words are technically correct. I just got that now.

    • curioushairedgal

      It’s like translating, if it’s good it’s in what’s beyond words. The alchemy of meaning travelling from person to person. I keep thinking how do you make a movie about a last day in a person’s life and make it so meaning-less,how do you read something and miss all that life in it. I didn’t like Gadon, Elise was scandalized throughout,a conventional Shifrin, not a poet, that was a good point by Binoche. Now I’m thinking of Darren’s flat characters. Yeah, “I smell sex” said in that tiny scandalized and disgusted voice is the line summing her flatness up. Melman bottle/prostate exam scene was incomparable to the effect words on paper had, pity he omitted the line and seeing her lick her lips watching Eric’s naked torso made me laugh out loud and think of the fangirls. Nice package. Kendra scene, contrived, all that finger chewing was supposed to be, what, a signal of steamy sex yet no coming for Eric, at all, not with Didi,or Jane or his Amazon bodyguard. All impotent, until final tears. I suppose Cro also took Bennos “You’re already dead” literally.How does one miss the voraciousness of Eric’s last day in the book. He even cut Eric chewing Elise’s knuckle at the beginning, eating her food…Petrescu scene made me cringe, more yet of impotence, impotent chasing of the papz, no rage, no nothing, Torval shooting scene was cut short. Cro would give him no release until death, no release of shooting the palm and enlivening pain. No release until you’re shot in the back, which is another thing, Benno sits facing Eric in the book. Movie version is like an execution., Benno the executioner, the audience witness to an execution. And death to end the torture. How sick.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Defense: holding up my hands. I say Sarah was good because she at least seemed to understand the lines she was saying and acting in accordance with them. Of course all the other lines were cut out so she could stay in her ice-box. That’s what we used to call them too. The refrigerators and the women.

    • Guest

      What did you see Giamatti doing?

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I saw him react with almost involuntary horror at Packer’s bloody hand, as if something in him knew, at that moment, that he was seeing stigmata.

      He’s good I think. But the direction of that scene is awful. Walking back and forth for no reason just to have movement. Rob is playing Eric Packer as confused all the way through, so he continues. It was really the only way he could play him with what the Dronenberg did to DeLillo’s dialogue with his cutting and pasting.

    • curioushairedgal

      Giamatti was doing human. Cro’s Eric was doing prick. A lone lost prick to whom nothing makes sense anymore and then he’s killed by the one he created, the source of his own demise.De Lillo’s Eric gets to understand precarious life through Benno. Cro’s Eric dies a victim of revengful mental ex employee. Only Gimatti plays him as more, as precarious. But he shoots him from behind. Cro makes him un- worthy assasin.
      Sorry, I think about the movie and all the negatives keep surfacing, un-,dis-,im-,-less…

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      He was telling them FU I’m going to make the money and climb my way to sucess and I don’t give a damn about your cause or your sacrifices. Fuck the high cost of living, I can afford it. Fuck the jobs lost to cheaper labor in other countries as long as we get the products. Fuck everything because it doesn’t affect me. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Yes what he did can be read that way. I don’t think he thinks that way but by defaulting to the authority of Cronenberg he did it anyway. So how would they know he doesn’t think like that. This is what the new film Compliance is about. It opened the same weekend as Cosmopolis which beat it in the opening weekend numbers game, but won it in the long run as it gains all the time.

      And Rob has been in music circles long enough to absorb their politics. If it is because of the SPECTACLE, then what part did he play in its being a SPECTACLE instead of a ripple he shut up right away. Did he play it for Cosmopolis? If he did it was a bad move. Saying what he thought about the character of Eric Packer, not portrayed in the film, would have won everyone over. He could have read the book. He could have read me. I’m not hard to find on a search engine. College students find me all the time when they are studying DeLillo. I think Rob is not the smart boy we thought he was.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I think, like me, he just saw the shot of making a movie with the Cronenberg name, not knowing he was being used by Cronenberg to say FU to the public. I wonder if he knows it now? I wonder if his friends ever tried to warn him. I don’t think he would have done it intentionally. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      He did it with his brains parked in the recycle bin. He did it because he reveres authority while saying he is such an individualist and acting like a maverick with his clothes, his attitude. Sorry, I’m getting mad at him all over again. I’m just doing my job sir.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      So, you think he purposefully wears blinders because he respect authority and says, “I’m just doing my job, sir.” He ignores the responsibility of the work he does, like the Natzi’s in the concentration camps. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      He’s just not that bright robin. I was fooled because he talked about books. anyone can talk about books. I just thought he was a lot smarter than he is. He has supposedly watched a lot of serious films. It seems he doesn’t understand that his favorite directors are political avant garde. He could have tried to understand Cosmopolis. He could have at least incorporated DeLillo’s Eric Packer in his performance. The horror Giamatti shows when he looks at Packer’s bloody hand is not just the blood but the fact that it is stigmata.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yeah, I know. What I’m not understanding is why he didn’t do the research, like he and KS claim to do in their other rolls. I also don’t understand, IF Cronenberg didn’t do it on purpose, use Cosmopolis to get to Occupy, then why didn’t he allow RP to read the book and grasp the character. Why did he want RP void of the character and the meaning? Cronenberg would have come out smelling like a goddamn rose garden, potently hypnotic. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      He didn’t want any of the actors challenging him on his interpretation. He wanted obedience. You’ve had employers like that! It wasn’t collaborative. He made the film on the cheap, shot it quick, edited it quick, took it to Cannes to make sure his son would also get his film into Cannes for a kind of honorary Cronenberg thing. He got 20 million to do it because Rob’s name was on it. It is of poor production quality on top of everything else. In the 1990′s he had to mortgage his house for a film. He has money problems, he can’t get financing for his films (I wonder why). He has his little family group doing all the work on the films. This keeps the cash in the family. I am betting he stashed a good amount into his retirement chest on this one. Another one trying to slide home on Rob’s back. Geez it’s been going on for fucking forever. He must see that Cronenberg trotted him around just like the others to pimp his movie. Herzog won’t. I bet the farm on that.

      *艾未未 Ai Weiwei* ‏@*aiww*

      RT @*sfpelosi* : “The place and time we live in the world has everything to do with how we define ourselves.” – @*aiww*

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, I have had boss’s like that. curioushairedgal explained it too. She said Cronenber just didn’ care anymore. Nothing means anything to him anymore, like he’s been on the planet too long and has seen everything, so nothing’s new. Just didn’t give a shit. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      She’s right. She’s always right.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I loved how easy her answer was. It makes so much sense.
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      CHG is a genius. She is a fine teacher. And a brilliant thinker and writer.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, I like her very much! Did you get the pics? They were not in my mail, so I am ass-u-me-ing you got them? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Not yet. I’m dying for them.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      You’re kidding me! I wonder why?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      tired, got home late, work today?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Remember I said I would be up by 10 am my time? HA! 1 pm! My husband tried to be a nice guy by letting me sleep and screwed up all my appointments! I never caught up, so I said, F–k it…tomorrow’s another day! Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Remember I said I would be up by 10 am my time? HA! 1 pm! My husband tried to be a nice guy by letting me sleep and screwed up all my appointments! I never caught up, so I said, F–k it…tomorrow’s another day!
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I tweeted u a new one by somebody of the place. Not the same at all.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      U tweeted me a new what? by what someone? of what place? Wow, I have no clue what you’re telling me. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      It’s 2:45 a.m. I gotta go get some sleep. Only had 3 hrs. sleep in the last 24. Thank you for everything. I love going through this with you. Seriously, If you need help with your widget, my son is very computer savy. I can have him look at Disqus and he might be able to talk you through what you need. I have disqus, but I don’t understand it, I’m new to it and just starting to explore what it is. Michael would most likely be able to help you. He was the main computer wiz for the navy and kept everything going for their defense systems and software for communications. Do you want me to get him to help you? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      YES A MILLION YESES!

    • curioushairedgal

      I miss losing sleep, to read your talks here makes me smile so much.So thank you for that Robin.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m learning from great teachers. Thank you for that!
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I already replied to this. Didn’t it go through?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, I got it and replied back. This is old, no need to review Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Yes what he did can be read that way. I don’t think he thinks that way but by defaulting to the authority of Cronenberg he did it anyway. So how would they know he doesn’t think like that. This is what the new film Compliance is about. It opened the same weekend as Cosmopolis which beat it in the opening weekend numbers game, but won it in the long run as it gains all the time.

      And Rob has been in music circles long enough to absorb their politics. If it is because of the SPECTACLE, then what part did he play in its being a SPECTACLE instead of a ripple he shut up right away. Did he play it for Cosmopolis? If he did it was a bad move. Saying what he thought about the character of Eric Packer, not portrayed in the film, would have won everyone over. He could have read the book. He could have read me. I

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      You sent this twice.
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Do you think Nick Frenckel, Rob’s manager, allowed him to be sacrificed because he saw the end of RP in the near future or for money from Cronenberg? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Sorry. I forgot to tell you Nick Frenkel, Rob’s manager, also parked his brains in the recycle bin next to Rob’s. Cronenberg wasn’t saying fuck you, his brains were in there too. Cronenberg at this stage of his career can only be termed a political moron.

      Rob wasn’t sacrificed here, just his character sacrificed himself, Rob was just pimped.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      LMAO!!!! No, Nick Frenkel, Rob’s manager, didn’t just park his brains in the recycle bin next to Rob’s, he threw it in the trash compactor first, then the recycle bin, knowing it was unrecycleable but hoping for the best. Cronenberg threw his in the trash compactor too, but forgot why and lied to himself on his past evils because sinility has struck and he knew he would have been completely lost in hell if he hadn’t. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      He is going to get tarred with senility on this one. When you are old you have no idea how often that happens.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes I do. My husband’s 71 and he is driving me crazy, putting things down and not remembering or paying attention to where he put them. Events that are clear as yesterday, to me, he doesn’t even remember. (Recent events, within a year) Don’t tell me. I’m living with it. It’s scary. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I got it when I was stopped for a traffic ticket. I was hot. He asked me what day it was. I never know. then he asked me where I lived. then where I had lived before that. Then before that. So I got cheeky and took it all back to when I was 2 years old. then I said, “How far can you go back? Let’s hear!”

      By then they had 4 police cars at the gas station. I know they were talking if they should take me to the emergency ward. Later I looked i t up on the internet, called their ticket office and told them i was outraged and why, and that my attorney was considering litigation. They dropped the ticket. But my god, you have to very quickly understand that that’s what’s going on or you will blow it in your ignorance.

      Alzheimers is the consequence of behaviorally shaping children to have ADD’s.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Who is Chancellor? He’s asking me questions about the Avalon swinger’s club RP was wearing and an article from HwLies I forwarded lillicat because she asked about it too. He wore it at Coachilla Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      IDK. So he wokre an Avalon T shirt. So what.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      The original question, which is burried somewhere, was what does “other” mean. Someone, I don’t know, remember or care who, said KS & RP’s relationship was other. The Avalon shirt is a swinger’s club and RP wore it to Coachilla. So now, people are asking if “other” means they are swingers. lillicat, nena & goshia asked and asked for a link to an article where he was at Coachilla so, I gave them the first one that came up on google, which was, of course HWLIES. PPPPFffff! of course! Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      First, if he were do you think he would be advertising it? Wearing a shirt like that is literal and people nowadays look at literal, count the leaves on the tree and don’t see that the forest is burning down.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      OK, can we stop now? I don’t give a rat’s ass if KS or RP are swingers and no I don’t think he woud advertize it. My son wears a shirt that says, “Rehab is for quitters”. He is an AA but he’s not advertizing it, he just likes the shirt and the eyebrow lifting. He also has an orange one that looks like a Jailbird shirt. That doesn’t mean he went to jail and is advertising it. I know that. I was answering questions. That’s all. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Sorry about your hub. I can’t even talk to anyone my age.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      He’s not bad, just irratating at times. He once told me, “MR. ROMANTIC,” that he married me so I would take care of him and so his son’s couldn’t put him in a nursing home when they got tired of him. He knew I would never allow that to happen. So sad to think he thinks his sons would do that to him, but he does. He doesn’t believe they would hessitate for one second, if or when the time came, so they could get their grimy hands on his money, not that he has any. He has allowed them to hock us to the heavens and hell. He GAVE his oldest son a million dollar business that had been established since 1942 and his son bankrupted it in 5 yrs. not to mention putting us in debt trying to keep it afloat. He loves his son’s so I’m just as guilty for not putting my foot down and stopping it. I couldn’t. I love him, it was important to him, so I allowed it. Thank God I have insurance on him when he goes. It will cover the debt and allow me to get on with the rest of my life without worry. I just have to make sure he doesn’t forget to make the payment, LOL! Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Don’t tell me you meant they are all gone now. Surely you have friends. your age, still around. Being in your 80′s (?) isn’t that old anymore. People live past 100 now. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’m a displaced person in the Ozarks. I lost millions in real estate in Philadelphia.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      How?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Long story. Betrayal. Chinese proverb: beware when you save a life. The person now has a debt that can never be repaid.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      No one here.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m not quite your age, but I’m here. Consider me your friend, if you dare! (I wish I knew how to make those keyboard pics and show you eyebrows wickedly moving up and down! LOL) Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Thanks. You too.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m not quite your age, but I’m here. Consider me your friend, if you dare! (I wish I knew how to make those keyboard pics and show you eyebrows wickedly moving up and down! LOL)
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Also, do a find on the Wikpedia for Lionsgate look for: Their complete ownership depends on the worldwide regions of license. If Universal has enough distribution rights, what does this mean?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Universal doesn’t “own” Lionsgate. They have steel ties between them and another conglomerate may own them all.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I know, I was replying to someone else that asked for the like showing the ties between LG & Universal. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • guest

      Okay, thanks for the information. I dont know enough about hollywood biz to determine that this means what it means, but you are definitely making some good points. The two companies are intertwined. Probably par for the course in hollywood

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I hope you’re not just pacifying me. I don’t mind being told straight out that I am wrong. If I am, and you know I am, please, correct me. I wouldn’t want to accidentally repeat this again if it is totally wrong. Warner is also tied into it. IDK, I’m just putting the pieces together with the info I have. I don’t know for sure, but I should have said “I think” instead of sounding to sure of myself. Bad habit, I know, and it can get me into hot water. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      When you use “know” or being “right” you establish a position in the classic dialectical dominating Discourse and you get glued in there. You lose your mobility to think different ways, your freedom. It isn’t at all important to be right. Follow Foucault and just be interested in untangling the threads. The kittens will mess them back up again but you will know for yourself. We are so used to voting on everything. How many people believe they will gt back together? How many….? If you ask this you are inviting people to get involved, to take a position, to stick around to see if they are right or wrong. MONEY AND HITS!

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m trying, It’s very hard to change my speach patterns. Point taken. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Of course. We have all been locked into the Dominating Discourse. That’s why it’s called Dominating.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      You are taking a lot of legal liberties here robin.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Am I? Think about it. Universal has distribution rights for LG in all of North America, China, Itally, London, France and who knows where else. LG has distribution rights for Universal too. They are acting as one big family. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      If that is true then you have nailed the tie between first time director Sanders getting SWATH with its 170 mil production budget. IF they are all in bed then why would they want to ruin SWATH 2? Sanders is “rumored” to be getting Mockinjay. He will be gold after that. So what possible motive for setting up Kristen?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Her father is a director also. She likes indies. She’s a wild card to them because of her tie with RP. RP is not weak enough WITH KS around to manipulate him. Summit may want RP to continue in their pursuits, use his popularity to gain financing. RP has a stronger following than KS although KS followers are truer followers. Universal wants Sander’s over KS for SWATH 2 because the scandal was not something they saw coming until it was out of control. Now that it has spun out of control, they are sitting back to reep the profits. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      If RS is innocent then they can do SWATH. I find it hard to imagine he is but it is possible. Maybe SWATH didn’t make enough that they want to continue with it. Maybe KS doesn’t now. Maybe RS doesn’t want to now. But while he is hot he can’t stop, to make a rhyme. If Liberty did it then they will have to sit tight to see how it plays out. Nick Frenkel seems to be lying low now also. They may not want to make any moves in fear that we will strike again. Someone is reading crushable. That new/old video goes up about 1000 per day. I would say everyone is holding their breath right now. I am. You?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I didn’t say I thought he was innocent, just that it’s possible it was all LR. Personally I believe he has his hands in the whole thing, willingly? IDK what I think. I also believe they do want to do the sequel because it was leading to a TV series. I believe there will be two more sequels then the TV series and I believe RS still wants to do it. I tweet it almost daily also (the original crushable video) I would love to see someone confess or inadvertantly show some sort of clue as to what started this. I know, not going to happen. I must be dumb. Holding their breath for what? I only know to expect what’s been scripted. What are you holding your breath for? By scripted, I mean, RP & KS to split/marry/baby or KS & RP to come together. What else is there? Nick is not in any big pinch except that everyone knows Summit & GC & He are in cohoots. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Everyone doesn’t know NIck Frenkel, Abrams of Gossip Cop and Summit are tight. See I just said it again. Repeat it like a jingle. Repetition adds to credibility. If you say a lie often enough it will be perceived as the truth. If you say an intuition enough times it will take on the meaning of truth. Once is not enough.

      Changing the subject at cc that same question of why Twilight was such a phenomenon and still no one knew. I have said it for 2 years now and still no one knows what I have said. Interesting.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Ok, I’ll bite. What is your answer? Why is Twilight such a phenomenon? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      It’s a retelling, a variation of Tristan and Iseult, a legend from the 12th century. the legend of Tristan held sway over the rituals of romantic love in western civilization for 800 years. Until the event of “the pill’. Tristan and Iseult is a Foucauldian *CUT* in the genealogy of sexuality that lasted 800 years, and it is only in western civilization that it has held sway. Asia is about erotica. It was disruped by the *CUT* of “The Pill” and Meyer scraped it open again. Here: http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/2011/10/reading-twilight-through-foucauldian.html Read it it’s funny.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      i am as dense as a can of soup. i don’t get anything except the awakening of womens arousals. I don’t get the camble’s soup meaning or the rest of it. I have read this at lease 6 times and don’t get it. Must be my lack of education. I’m sorry. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Before Warhol art history proceeded linearly, continuously, progressively with each one with each artist learning from his/her ancestors and paying homage. Art historians documented this progress and the success or failure of those in meeting it. Warhol came along and painted a Campbell Soup Can, which was proclaimed as art (1960). He did other mundane, banal, boring images that had nothing at all to do with Rembrandt, Leonardo etc or even the great modern DeKooning, Picasso, etc. What he did was introduce *POP ART *! And an entirely new aesthetic in art began. those paintings that looked like a large clip form a comic book strip, etc. .But a new era began lasting strong for 3 decades and now still influencing.

      Meyer comes along and says hey what about true love! What’s all this mindless fucking all about! And writes Twilight. All those girls who have grown up seeing the consequences of “women’s liberation” the pill, the single mothers, the families with siblings all from different fathers, kids and mothers living in cars, and the whole mess of dysfunctional families around them have said to themselves, “Hey I don’t want this!” They have been told that there is no such thing as sexual repression, so when they don’t feel like having sex with a boy on the 3rd date they don’t have that excuse,* THEY HAVE LOST THE FREEDOM OF SAYING NO *because the boy will move on if she hasn’t put out by the 3rd date. If she wants a bf, or dates in high school then she has to put out. She is far more constricted now than she ever was before the pill. And there are millions of girls out there who want to wait. there’s more but that should do it.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Wow. Why didn’t you write it that way in your blog? That is so much easier to understand than what is on your pages. My eyes are so wide open now and I see what you see. I never would have thought about it that way. I always had the “incomplete” thought about true love, not how this all connected. Of course. I never expected that as an explaination. Thank you. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Well if you had asked the comment on my blog post that would have helped someone. Do I need to paste it there now? Or will you do it darling?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      No, I’ll do it with my own comments attached, introducing your explanation. I have to update my ie to ie9 according to your notification, so I will post it first thing tomorrow. I have visited your blog many times. Where the hell is your subscribe link? Do I not see it because your sight says I’m not updated? Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I don’t know. Why don’t you help me get up to date with stuff. I am trying to get all my old comments back. I deleted a widget and lost them.disqus tek hasn’t helped much.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m sorry, LMAO what’s a widget?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Her father produces TV shows or at least that’s what he did when she did Catch That Kid. she was not clumsy at all in that one. Not until Michael did she start hunching her shoulders. she stopped for awhile but was at cc and TCA.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, I noticed that. She’s not as confident as she is trying to put on. She did a small interview @ the fashon show and said again, “She feels free, free to chose what she wants and no one, not her advisors or anyone else can chose for her” She’s trying to brave it up but her body language shows differently. So does her stuttering. Have you noticed how unsure and careful she is when she speaks. It’s like before, when she & RP were a “guessing circus” Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Stuttering is fine. she is searching for words to express what she feels and thinks. No need for her to talk in sound bites like the rest of them. It is smooth and meaningless.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yes, stuttering makes people try to listen harder, even if they think they don’t want to hear what she is saying. Human nature. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I think Summit allowed LG to buy them for that amount with all the perks in it because their plan was to swallow Lionsgate control and have the Lionsgate brand name which is better than Summit’s.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I’m sure that was one of the negotiations. Summit will disappear but still have most of the control. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @disqus_RNYw6LuD86:disqus RP is not being a dick. I know I questioned why he was so silent and didn’t stick up for KS publically, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have good reason. We don’t know why, we don’t understand what has really happened, except for LR & RS (of course…I know in my gut! Ugh!) RP & KS could have been together since the begining, staying in Reese’s or Giovanni’s house or somewhere else and using them for cover, putting on a front for the public, to make RS & LR think they succeeded so they can have peace to figure out what to do. That was all hypathetical (spelling?). I’m not saying they were, I’m just saying WE DON’T KNOW ANYTHING. It’s ok to question why, it’s not ok to judge, except for judging the scumbags, that’s ok, but even in my comments, I state what I’ve concluded and why I feel the way I feel. I have never said they were right or wrong. (Even though we know how EVIL they are) I’m not judging, am I? LOL, let’s not attack the ones we love, only the ones we hate, just like the HATERS do. Let’s acknowlege our hypocracy and be proud of it. LOL! I’m the first one on board. Who’s with me? LOL!

    • nena

      I know I was mad yesterday, we dont know, the girl twilighter has so many scenarios and really goes thru the positive and negative of each one calgon take me away!!!!

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      LOL! Don’t we all?

  • LK70

    Wasn’t she out and about,holding hands with hands with a guy that was an old bf? Where;s the desparation? She got rid of that poor excuse of a husband she had,who had probably cheated many times with different women/girls.

    • D. Martin

      She was photographed out with her ex-BF. I think his name was Christopher Taylor or something… You may be right about the number of girls. Kristen may be the only time he got caught but it still smells like a set up to me. It just does.

    • jenna

      She’s been photograped many times with him over the years. They’re friends.

  • Sarah

    I never realized how much she looks like Teresa Guidice until I saw their pictures next to each other at the top of this page. Kind of funny. If there is a Real Housewives of Malibu (or London), she would be a perfect fit.

  • Me Me Me :-)

    I can’t even wrap my mind around this woman’s actions. I truly, truly, truly feel for any woman who has been cheated on and devastated, as I was one of them, but Liberty’s “hurt” and “devastation” is ringing incredibly hollow with me.

    I’ll just say that if Kristen and Robert can manage to completely disappear for lengths of time when they’re probably the most hunted people on the planet right now (especially since bin Laden is dead, yay Obama! Vote 2012!… sorry, flashbacks), then there is no reason why Liberty can’t seem to make a move without being photographed. Except of course if she’s calling the “paps” and making sure they see her.

    I agree with Jenni in that there’s nothing really wrong with that, it being Hollyweird and all, but don’t say you hate publicity, and then turn around and give an interview to a pap blog in a bar. Geez.

    • D. Martin

      Exactly. That was the point I was trying to make only you said it better. I’ve been cheated on too so I know what it’s like. Hollow is a good description for this. Good call.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002837276586 Tom Giles

    It would be easier to take this site seriously if they weren’t also the authors of this crud.

    http://crushable.com/other-stuff/beyonce-baby-blue-ivy-surrogate-pregnant-again-755/

    • Jenni

      Yeah, who’s letting that get published!?!

  • jenna

    If there are any rational reasons to so hate Liberty, I’d like to hear them. But the hate appears to be based on lies, misrepresentations, and baseless internet gossip. Maybe some degree of simple mindless partisanship too ie my team is better than your team. I understand the writer of this heavily slanted tabloid style article probably has no other motive than the hope for more web hits. Riling up Kristen’s fans is all too easy, isn’t it? Well, that’s business, I suppose. Watching the rest of you abandon any semblance of critical thinking, indulge your primitive desire for a public hanging, and fall for the tabloid BS like good little sheep is depressing.

    • JUST NO

      Hi “nonsten” we get it . LOL

    • jenna

      I’m not a nonsten. I don’t follow Kristen or Robert’s career. I’m way too old for Twilight – never seen the movie or read the book. In fact, nonsten is a word I heard for the first time just a few weeks ago.

    • nena

      OMG do you read, oh sorry I said I wasnt going to discuss this with you any more sorry

    • ss

      Lord forbid for anyone to comment on a “comment board.” I’m sorry, I didn’t know, anyone wasn’t suppose to.lol You might want to pass that info to the rest of world. Lol

    • ss

      Lord forbid for anyone to comment on a “comment board.” I’m sorry, I didn’t know, anyone wasn’t suppose to.lol You might want to pass that info to the rest of world. Lol

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @jenna In case you can’t find it. Don’t HATE me, it’s just my opinion…read this (all of it and then read my comments below. http://justiceforkristen.wordpress.com/
      I read everything on your blog and I must say, I agree with you about this whole issue concerning what happened between Kristen Stewart and Rupert Sanders as far as the harrassment and why Robert Pattinson felt betrayed, humiliated and that the trust was gone. By not telling Robert about Rupert harrassing her, Robert most likely felt she didn’t trust him. Kristen knew Robert would be very upset to find out what was going on, even to the point of getting into Rupert’s face, insisting she make a complaint and not do the sequel to SWATH if he was directing it. She wanted to do the sequel to SWATH .
      There was an article printed that she wanted Robert to be in ithe sequel to SWATH. “Oh absolutely!” Kristen exclaimed. “Rob’s invited to be on our cast. Definitely!” A Snow White in the Huntsman sequel is already in the works, according the film’s director Rupert Sanders. “I can tell you that I’m working on a sequel now and it’s really exciting,” Sanders told MTV. “We all had a great time doing this one, so onwards and upwards.
      ”http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/06/21/robert-pattinson-kristen-stewart-snow-white-huntsman-sequel-interview/
      She was harrassed during the filming by Rupert. There were reports of his harrassment as well as reports that she was helping with ideas, on set when she wasn’t in the scene. “Kristen would go up after every take to Rupert and have a super engrossed conversation, analyzing everything,” a source tells us. “It was really weird. But it didn’t seem like a romantic thing, at the time.” There was an article of someone stating he was infatuated with her and persued her. She made it clear that she was involved with Robert and asked him to stop. http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/83403/Rupert-Sanders-Lured-Kristen-Stewart-Into-The-Affair-She-Never-Wanted
      The picture of them having dinner with Charlize Theron (not in picture) also had a video of the dinner. In the video, it shows Rupert fondling himself right in front of Kristen. I would imagine that would explain her imense stare at him in the photo. This is the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGZOUwVjADM
      I believe Rupert Sanders was very jealous of Robert Pattinson, felt rage and insulted towards Kristen refusing his advances. I also believe Liberty Ross knew her husband well and has a very devious mind. I believe she helped Rupert with the casting of Kristen Stewart, knowing he would be attracted to her, knowing he would make advances on her and wanted to change her career into a serious acting career. I believe she encouraged her husband by soothing his rage, telling him HOW to get revenge for his jealousy and insult. I believe she planned it and helped Rupert execute it.
      Thank you for writing your blog. I appreciate your wisdom and insight as it follows my original thoughts as well.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      @jenna In case you can’t find it. Don’t HATE me, it’s just my opinion…read this (all of it and then read my comments below. http://justiceforkristen.wordpress.com/
      I read everything on your blog and I must say, I agree with you about this whole issue concerning what happened between Kristen Stewart and Rupert Sanders as far as the harrassment and why Robert Pattinson felt betrayed, humiliated and that the trust was gone. By not telling Robert about Rupert harrassing her, Robert most likely felt she didn’t trust him. Kristen knew Robert would be very upset to find out what was going on, even to the point of getting into Rupert’s face, insisting she make a complaint and not do the sequel to SWATH if he was directing it. She wanted to do the sequel to SWATH .
      There was an article printed that she wanted Robert to be in ithe sequel to SWATH. “Oh absolutely!” Kristen exclaimed. “Rob’s invited to be on our cast. Definitely!” A Snow White in the Huntsman sequel is already in the works, according the film’s director Rupert Sanders. “I can tell you that I’m working on a sequel now and it’s really exciting,” Sanders told MTV. “We all had a great time doing this one, so onwards and upwards.
      ”http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/06/21/robert-pattinson-kristen-stewart-snow-white-huntsman-sequel-interview/
      She was harrassed during the filming by Rupert. There were reports of his harrassment as well as reports that she was helping with ideas, on set when she wasn’t in the scene. “Kristen would go up after every take to Rupert and have a super engrossed conversation, analyzing everything,” a source tells us. “It was really weird. But it didn’t seem like a romantic thing, at the time.” There was an article of someone stating he was infatuated with her and persued her. She made it clear that she was involved with Robert and asked him to stop. http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/83403/Rupert-Sanders-Lured-Kristen-Stewart-Into-The-Affair-She-Never-Wanted
      The picture of them having dinner with Charlize Theron (not in picture) also had a video of the dinner. In the video, it shows Rupert fondling himself right in front of Kristen. I would imagine that would explain her imense stare at him in the photo. This is the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGZOUwVjADM
      I believe Rupert Sanders was very jealous of Robert Pattinson, felt rage and insulted towards Kristen refusing his advances. I also believe Liberty Ross knew her husband well and has a very devious mind. I believe she helped Rupert with the casting of Kristen Stewart, knowing he would be attracted to her, knowing he would make advances on her and wanted to change her career into a serious acting career. I believe she encouraged her husband by soothing his rage, telling him HOW to get revenge for his jealousy and insult. I believe she planned it and helped Rupert execute it.
      Thank you for writing your blog. I appreciate your wisdom and insight as it follows my original thoughts as well.

    • lillicat

      Jenna: Jenni is using her natural ability to lighten up a very tense situation. If you read her posts; they are all funny and make you smile. There has just been too much drama over this entire deal, and sometimes it helps to lighten up. I don’t see that this article is hateful at all. Jenni is just making an observation. Most of us support what Rob and Kris want, and we make no apologies for it. Therefor the slant is always going to be in Rob and Kris’ favor. I for one don’t even give a flip in hell is this is a PR stunt and R& K were in on it from the beginning. The stupid gossip mags and paps looks like fools, and this whole cluster f#@k will make a great screen play. We just want them to be Okay, together or apart.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Actually it is a very serious matter. We have people trying to ruin someone(s) life/lives. The kind of thing that can drive a certain kind of person to suicide. It is cruel and evil. And we have a perfect chance to stop it. If Ai Wei Wei can hold off the entire Chinese totalitarian Government, we can hold these bastards off.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I agree with you 1000%! I know I couldn’t sleep the night before KS did the premiere of OTR, fearing that or non-fans (Haters)

  • nena

    yes

  • ss

    I was going to leave my 2 cents on this article…but I see there is one poster who is arguing with everyone on here (it would seem). I couldn’t help but leave a few sarcastic replies lol. No need for name calling or to be rude though. Just saying.

  • ss

    I was going to leave my 2 cents on this article…but I see there is one poster who is arguing with everyone on here (it would seem). I couldn’t help but leave a few sarcastic replies lol. No need for name calling or to be rude though. Just saying.

    • nena

      Ha hey go to article about K and R back together, Gosia posted something from GC about the pics

    • ss

      I just came from GC (the boards weren’t too bad over there actually) There were like 5400 comments. I could not go through.all of them. I seen some Gosia’s posts, but I wasn’t sure what to exactly look for. Sorry. There was a really good post from a poster called “Twilighter” I believe. Really interesting. As I was going down the thread, trying to read the commemts, there were like 130 new comments! There is no way in hell I am going to keep up.lol And there is the poster Bearly Important, who I actually like reading their comments. That poster kinda believes this scandal was set up. Anyway, sorry for xtra stuff I just mentioned. The only thing people are saying really is, that no one really knows wth is going on. It’s the same things as before.

    • nena

      Yes that is the one she sent me, I wish there was a way to enter a certain persons name and just follow them, can you enter someone like that in disqus? I was over there a while ago on the robs demands article and I was so surprised that everyone was being nice to each other!!! Hey I read somewhere there the KS was flying somewhere, do you know where

    • lillicat

      I wonder if she has to fly to Paris because of the Florabontanica deal. It is supposed to be available for purchase this month, but I haven’t been able to find it. Over at GC it was said that she was to fly out at 4PM. They were all waiting for a sighting.

    • lillicat

      Nena: you are following me and I am following you on Disqus. Just put in a name you like on the board., and hit the follow icon.

    • nena

      Yes that is the one she sent me, I wish there was a way to enter a certain persons name and just follow them, can you enter someone like that in disqus? I was over there a while ago on the robs demands article and I was so surprised that everyone was being nice to each other!!! Hey I read somewhere there the KS was flying somewhere, do you know where

    • ss

      I just came from GC (the boards weren’t too bad over there actually) There were like 5400 comments. I could not go through.all of them. I seen some Gosia’s posts, but I wasn’t sure what to exactly look for. Sorry. There was a really good post from a poster called “Twilighter” I believe. Really interesting. As I was going down the thread, trying to read the commemts, there were like 130 new comments! There is no way in hell I am going to keep up.lol And there is the poster Bearly Important, who I actually like reading their comments. That poster kinda believes this scandal was set up. Anyway, sorry for xtra stuff I just mentioned. The only thing people are saying really is, that no one really knows wth is going on. It’s the same things as before.

  • rozzie

    Ohkay all arguments aside, this article has a damn good point. She’s allowed to grovel, sure, but do it in her own privacy and if she wanted that privacy she wouldn’t be making a huge sob story out of it and making it out to be 10 times worse than it already is. And then come on crying? Rob is on the same page as her but you don’t see him cheapening his relationship crisis by babbling about it. It’s private and he doesn’t want pity. I’m not saying liberty is worse than ruperv but she doesn’t need to ask for sympathy votes.

    • nena

      yes!!!

  • rozzie

    Ohkay all arguments aside, this article has a damn good point. She’s allowed to grovel, sure, but do it in her own privacy and if she wanted that privacy she wouldn’t be making a huge sob story out of it and making it out to be 10 times worse than it already is. And then come on crying? Rob is on the same page as her but you don’t see him cheapening his relationship crisis by babbling about it. It’s private and he doesn’t want pity. I’m not saying liberty is worse than ruperv but she doesn’t need to ask for sympathy votes.

  • nena

    I know it doesnt go here but more are here now so.. justiceforkristen.wordpress.com

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I posted this on your blog: I read everything on your blog and I must say, I agree with you about this whole issue concerning what happened between Kristen Stewart and Rupert Sanders as far as the harrassment and why Robert Pattinson felt betrayed, humiliated and that the trust was gone. By not telling Robert about Rupert harrassing her, Robert most likely felt she didn’t trust him. Kristen knew Robert would be very upset to find out what was going on, even to the point of getting into Rupert’s face, insisting she make a complaint and not do the sequel to SWATH if he was directing it. She wanted to do the sequel to SWATH .
      There was an article printed that she wanted Robert to be in ithe sequel to SWATH. “Oh absolutely!” Kristen exclaimed. “Rob’s invited to be on our cast. Definitely!” A Snow White in the Huntsman sequel is already in the works, according the film’s director Rupert Sanders. “I can tell you that I’m working on a sequel now and it’s really exciting,” Sanders told MTV. “We all had a great time doing this one, so onwards and upwards.
      ”http://hollywoodlife.com/2012/06/21/robert-pattinson-kristen-stewart-snow-white-huntsman-sequel-interview/
      She was harrassed during the filming by Rupert. There were reports of his harrassment as well as reports that she was helping with ideas, on set when she wasn’t in the scene. “Kristen would go up after every take to Rupert and have a super engrossed conversation, analyzing everything,” a source tells us. “It was really weird. But it didn’t seem like a romantic thing, at the time.” There was an article of someone stating he was infatuated with her and persued her. She made it clear that she was involved with Robert and asked him to stop. http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/83403/Rupert-Sanders-Lured-Kristen-Stewart-Into-The-Affair-She-Never-Wanted
      The picture of them having dinner with Charlize Theron (not in picture) also had a video of the dinner. In the video, it shows Rupert fondling himself right in front of Kristen. I would imagine that would explain her imense stare at him in the photo. This is the link to the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGZOUwVjADM
      I believe Rupert Sanders was very jealous of Robert Pattinson, felt rage and insulted towards Kristen refusing his advances. I also believe Liberty Ross knew her husband well and has a very devious mind. I believe she helped Rupert with the casting of Kristen Stewart, knowing he would be attracted to her, knowing he would make advances on her and wanted to change her career into a serious acting career. I believe she encouraged her husband by soothing his rage, telling him HOW to get revenge for his jealousy and insult. I believe she planned it and helped Rupert execute it.
      Thank you for writing your blog. I appreciate your wisdom and insight as it follows my original thoughts as well.

    • nena

      I’ve seen it before but that video of Rupert is so so gross and if you look quick Kristen sort of gives a “thats disgusting” look. it is so creepy what a pig really

    • lillicat

      Very well said.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      If that means you agree, thank you. If not…thank you anyway. ; )

  • nena

    I know it doesnt go here but more are here now so.. justiceforkristen.wordpress.com

  • IDK

    I am not a fan Rob and Kristen, nor Liberty.
    I do see a lot of people say that Liberty is this victim that we should all feel bad for.
    I did see her during Fashion Week walk/model, and I have been seeing a lot of paparazzi pictures of her.
    First of all, she has claimed she hasn’t left her house in weeks…. ??
    There are paparazzi pictures of her walking near a deli by some offices. (Law offices I believe.) There was some of photos of her on an outing when she wore a white shirt with a large cross necklace. Tabloids joked about the cross being a way of “keeping Kristen away.”
    There are pictures of her wearing the same tee shirt Rob wore. The same tee shirt that is the brand Kristen is the face for. She was waving, and smiling at the paparazzi.
    There was another sighting of her chatting away on a cell phone while walking to her car while doing errands. Of course there was that sighting of her hanging out with her ex boyfriend, and lastly this birthday sighting.
    I believe she was hurt, but she doesn’t need to tell people she hadn’t left the house when she has.
    When Kristen got asked about what she had been up to the past few weeks at TIFF she didn’t say a word.
    Liberty gets asked, and instead of being a private person by saying no comment she blabs happily about the parties, and jobs she has been doing.

    • lillicat

      I’m sorry, it really looks suspicious as to being complicit with a possible set-up.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Well many of you know what I think the set up was. It’s a much larger field than you are considering.

  • Dawn

    Liberty really likes attention for somebody who doesn’t like attention. I’ve been with jenni on this scandal since day one. I think Summit/Lionsgate is behind it. It just irks me how quiet all involved especially the twilight cast has been. I smell a gag order. It just seems like they can’t say anything. Maybe that’s why Rob and Kristen don’t look so good and haven’t said a word to their fans. Something like this they would somehow clear up. Maybe Summit/Lionsgate wanted them to fake a breakup and they would not go along with that and hurt their fans. So Summit went and did it for them complete with doctored photos and convient public apology that was completely unlike Kristen. Put gag orders on everyone except Liberty and Rupert who helped them with the photos for publicity. They’ll play Summits game. Rupert is in strong contention to direct The Hunger Games Mockingjay and how much you want to bet we see Liberty in some Lionsgates films in the future. Rob would suffer from this just as much as Kristen because he has to watch the woman he loves suffer through what kristen has endured. The best way to hurt somebody is to hurt the one they love. I have no doubt if this was what summit wants it to look like, somebody in the twilight cast would have said something by now and Rob and Kristen would have kept it out of the public eye to begin with. Most of the twilight cast is active on twitter and would have spoken up if they could for their fans. Jenni, I know you’re not a twilight fan but believe me when I say that cast is amazing to their fans and would not stay quiet about something like this unless they had no choice. It’s just been too quiet. I really do think Rob and Kristen have been fine the whole time and the reason they don’t look too well is because of what this scandal did to their fans. That might be why they gave the teen choice awards back to the audience. They new what was coming and felt guilty because they couldn’t stop it. Taylor didn’t give his award to the audience and looked a little confused as well. I think Summit/Lionsgate has Rob and Kristen by the balls right now. Am I right in feeling like everyone except Liberty have been way too quiet?? Jenni, any thoughts on what I said?

    • Jenni

      I still don’t believe the photos are doctored because that’s so much work. I think they’re being quiet, because that’s part of the PR stunt I have cooked up in my head. The more they say, they more they could give away.

      I do think that Robsten giving their award to the fans was their last big gift to them before shit hit the fan.

    • Dawn

      But that’s Hollywood, they can make anything look real. Even common folk like you and I could do that with our own photos. I don’t agree with everything the video showed either. Or….maybe they had somebody there taking the photos with them. Why was Rupert smiling so much? Thank for the reply Jenni!!!! Your articles have kept many fans sane through this dung heap that keeps growing!!!!

    • Jenni

      I guess what I should add is that not only is photoshopping photos and blackmailing Kristen Stewart into silence after hypothetically ruining her career somewhat unrealistic, but she and Rob have gotten great results from this entire scandal. So many great results that I believe they’re in on it.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      But why do they look so unhappy then? They aren’t just acting.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      But why do they look so unhappy then? They aren’t just acting.

    • http://www.facebook.com/gwen.chadwick.90 Gwen Chadwick

      “Great results.” Oh, really now. I guess we’re not on the same wavelength, because all I’ve seen in their limited recent appearances are two people who’ve suffered through a major personal conflict and are dealing with the public attention as professionally as they can, for the benefit of their movies which they are proud of. I don’t think you understand that you’re dissecting a situation that is entirely THEIR business. This isn’t scientology, where you’re brainwashed into saying and believing stuff. Rob and Kristen have their OWN minds and are in control of their own actions. The fact that you think they’re “In on it”, as if there’s a big conspiracy, means that you have very little respect for them as individuals. They’ve never enjoyed being in the spotlight, so stop pretending that you have any idea what ~really~ went on or how they’re handling it. All we know for sure is what the photos, the public apologies, and Liberty’s imput to RumorFix have all stated. The rest is merely speculation. And you DON’T know what Rob and Kristen will do next. Not everything in this life is a PR move. It would be a hell of a sad life if it was.

    • Jenni

      I’ve seen two people who experienced a phenomenal amount of press for their most recent movies — On the Road and Cosmopolis. I continue to get the feeling that their fans WANT them to be victims in this whole situation. But if you truly believe them to be such wonderful people, then you should believe that they’re smart enough and capable enough to manipulate the media so that it works for them (and not against them). They’re going to be followed/stalked/chased anyways, why not give them credit for turning a negative situation into a positive one.

    • nena

      I do agree that they could do do this just to promote the movies and to give the media the finger but NOT to break up. If that is the case and they were playing the fans I really doubt I will see their movies at least I wont pay money to !!. But I really feel that they are hurting IDK

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      nena you are in the symbolic Order of Seduction and jenni plays in the sandbox of the Order of Production. When you disagree you are confusing Orders. Arguments do not make any sense coming from different Orders, although their words sound as if they make perfect sense. It’s just a veil of thinking to get through. this is what zen masters do. Force you out of an Order.

    • nena

      The pictures really dont tell alot, as we cant know what was going on. The apologies– no one is even sure they were given by KS or RS as now the writer for people that said the apologies now says they were given to not directlly from KS but a source who gave then to people. So really all we know for sure is what LIB said as she is the only one of the 4 talking

    • Dawn

      What I said above is just one hypothosis out of millions about this mess. I’m trying to convince myself they’re not voluntarily involved but they probably are. I can’t get away from what Ted Casablanca said on his twitter page right after the scandal broke. Mind you he left Eonline just 10 days before the scandal surfaced and in his last video he said the bd part 2 promo tour would be no walk on the beach. He doesn’t work for any tabloids anymore and has nothing to gain from saying what he said. This is what he said “everything u r hearing about robsten right now is arranged. Let me assure you of this.” Just days later he said “Robsten’s not perfect but that’s why we love them. They know exactly what they’re doing.” Then somebody asked him if he could ask Rob and kristen one question what would it be? His answer was ” do you guys ever wish you got married the first you talked about?” As much as I try to find ways to think they’re not involved, I keep coming back to the fact that they are in spite of what I said above. I’m not contridicting myself. I’m just trying to stay open to all possibilities. If both you and ted are telling me they are involved then I have to stop doubting my first instinct and believe both of you. You rock Jenni! Keep the articles coming!

    • Dawn

      But that’s Hollywood, they can make anything look real. Even common folk like you and I could do that with our own photos. I don’t agree with everything the video showed either. Or….maybe they had somebody there taking the photos with them. Why was Rupert smiling so much? Thank for the reply Jenni!!!! Your articles have kept many fans sane through this dung heap that keeps growing!!!!

    • Jenni

      I still don’t believe the photos are doctored because that’s so much work. I think they’re being quiet, because that’s part of the PR stunt I have cooked up in my head. The more they say, they more they could give away.

      I do think that Robsten giving their award to the fans was their last big gift to them before shit hit the fan.

    • nena

      I think irishgirl said that she goes to the same hair place as a girl who has a small part in BD2 said everyone got a call shortly aft and said no one could talk to anyone. Gag order

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      They can’t put a gag order on you without a court order. They can threaten you with one but if you don’t believe it they can’t do anything. A judge has to rule on that.

    • nena

      Could be they prob just threatened them she didn’t know anything any way

    • lillicat

      This sounds totally plausible, and it would take someone with the big $$$ the studios have to pull this off. It is interesting how NO ONE from the cast has said anything, when they are normally so open.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Read what I just outlined babe.Thanks for the spur.

    • nena

      Where

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      I’m with you. I have put my rundown elsewhere but I’ll do it again. Rob’s manager Nick Frenkel and Dan Abrams the founder and owner of Gossip Cop are tight. They are both tight with Summit. Abrams invests in Rob’s films probably only with Summit tho. IDK. GC runs a headline bashing Kristen, then the article below debunks it. Kristen bashers wannabees thought they were going to get her and find the article is defending her, so they go on the comment boards and bash her. This is pure journalism. Say the truth is such a way as to suggest the opposite; say the false in such as way as to be able to deny it later. this is what de Maupassant has the elder journalist give as advice to Duroy in Bel Ami. De Maupassant himself was a journalist who learned writing from the great Flaubert. He is not a lightweight. Ayn Rand in researching Fountainhead’s character of Gail Wynand used Hearst of Hearst papers who flamboyantly set out to make the news, not to report it. We are seeing both these techniques in action here, and Gossip Cop is in on the game. It has provoked more Kristen bashing than any other site. Why, Chuck why? When Nick Frenkel Rob’s manager could easily ask a favor from Abrams to slant things differently. Or maybe he has already asked the favor and gotten it. Why has gossip Cop not gone after the fake pictures? justiceforkristen asks this question also.

      Let’s follow the money trail, always a good idea. With Kristen out of the way, Frenkel has more access to Rob and more influence. In fact he was immediately on the scene when Rob found out and supposedly whisked him away to Reese’s hideaway and went out drinking with him in Ojai. And we all know Rob likes to drink. How better to get more control over someone then to aid them in drinking. Well, but we don’t want to go into stoned, do we? And why would Frenkel want Kristen out of the way? She’s the one encouraging Rob to stay with really good indie directors: Herzog; Michod; Sauvaire. These films are not going to bring in the big bucks. Nick Frenkel has a super expensive address and I suppose other very expensive tastes as perks while he baby sits Pattinson. Evidently Rob cannot be on his own to feel his feelings and deal with them. No he has to be distracted, diverted. And this is Nick Frenkel’s job. Now if he could get Kristen out of the way he would have a better chance to get Rob in big studio films for big bucks and big commissions to support the lifestyle he has become accustomed to. He has 13 other clients. I wonder when he ever sees them. Rob is a high maintenance guy if you watch Nick Frenkel with him here and there. His twitter page is full of pics with him and Rob, so I would say Rob is his one big client and one big fat meal ticket.

      With me so far? I’m changing direction now. Universal is on the rocks. Before SWATH they were looking at bankruptcy as a very possible alternative. Rupert Sanders came in as director of SWATH, a first time film director with a 170 million production budget. How did that happen? No one seems to know except I have heard that strings were pulled from Liberty’s hands. IDK. Andrew Niccol wrote the screenplay for The Truman Show but was not allowed to direct it as a first film for him. Too inexperienced. So why does Sanders get that job.

      I have a hypothesis. What if Summit wants to pick up Universal on the cheap? What if Summit invested money in SWATH? What if one of their demands was that Sanders be hired? That way Universal could take the risk on a new director, give him experience, so Summit could make a better and more informed evaluation of him? What if Summit was planning to have him fail? It was very likely? The odds were high that it would. But what does he do but bring it in on budget and a gross of 200 mil over production costs. Quite a coup I would say. And Charlize will probably get a nomination out of it. Not shabby. And the sequels look ready to go. The end of SWATH is an ending with Stewart’s face that leaves a highly ambiguous interpretation as to how things might go. So the sequel looks to be successful and Universal may pull the same trick Summit did on Twilight.

      But oh this is not what the Summit people want. Not at all. Now they won’t be able to pick up Universal. And definitely not on the cheap. This is not a good thing.They now know Sanders can direct and make a very successful film. that is a good thing. But if Stewart can be smeared, Snow White not so pure anymore as Liberty tweeted in the instagram, Universal can be chided to get rid of her on moral grounds. We can’t have children seeing a film with Snow White who cheats with Daddies. Think of the children! So Universal cans Kristen and then the uproar makes them waffle on it. But Summit has control again. There will be no SWATH sequel that will be any good and Universal has committed suicide, but maybe they were forced into it by Summit who may be lending them money. I think Summit used to be a financial institution so that might figure.

      Universal has a fabulous BRAND name irregardless of assets it still may have or not have. Summit is a new player with lots of Twilight money, but not an interesting Brand name. Lionsgate did not exactly give them what they wanted, so they have swallowed Lionsgate and taken over the reins there. Universal is a perfect target for them.

      So Rupert my boy, here is what we want you to do. And we will give you Mockenjay as a consolation prize for taking SWATH 2 away from you. and of course we will have other goodies for you if you do with Mockenjay what we just know you can do. All you have to do. is………..

      Sweet huh.

      Run with it Jenni.

    • lillicat

      Wow.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      My damn internet keeps disconnecting! I tried to post this 4 times!
      @abbeysbooks It took you long enough, but you’re not
      thinking about where RS got the backing. LR’s brother. Now you’re complete,
      remember, he said the affair was going on for months. It’s always, the player
      you are least likely to suspect, and see the least. He did make himself known.

    • nena

      The girl who made the videos said something about LS family has money and connections to HW via her bro. Rup had a little office on their property or something but that the house they live in was from her money. IDK

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Yeah, I read her twitlonger. Rupert was very dependant on her family until he got the SWATH movie because he only did commercials in London. It didn’t pay the income Liberty was used to. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Good. Get that speculation out there separately. the more shit you can throw at the target the more likely some is to stick. We need to follow Nietzsche with excess: to be “worse” than they are. that is the only way to implode. How about a class action suit on all of them for 3 billion or so with all the funds going to Haiti. To try to pay back Haiti for what we have done there.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      This was sarcastic, right?
      Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      no! I want all this speculation shit out there. I even said at TIFF Kristen went into the woods there and a sparkly alien kidnapped her and impregnated her with an intergalactic baby and the fans go t furious with me. It was a JOKE in case any of you are reading this.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Well, here’s one I’m sure you discussed while I was gone. How about RS found out KS had an abortion in Australia when that rumor went around in 2010-2011(?) How about he used that as blackmail? LOL! Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Not that. Just the fantastic rumor spectacle stuff. The tabloids are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      Shit! That wouldn’t be fantastic and a spectacle if he did have proof? No one would ever doubt that gossip mag again! lmao Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • nena

      What did I miss here? Proof of what?

    • nena

      God I just read the RP has reached his breaking point cuz he found out that KS. Told his friends that he is lousy in bed, is there no end to these people’s cruelty ? I really am disappointed In mankind.

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      It’s gone beyond cruelty to hilariously absurd. Now that’s desperation in action.

    • nena

      This isn’t true right?

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      LMAO! Oh nena, I love your heart! No, I was playing and bantering with abbeysbooks. She wants to make up stories in the media to create a spectacle. LOL! You are too sweet. Don’t worry, it didn’t happen. It was a rumor started by an Australian gossip mag. Subject: [crushablecom] Re: If Liberty Ross Hates Publicity So Much, She Should Stop Giving Interviews

    • nena

      Just by posting stuff here or at other sites also

    • http://twilightirruption.blogspot.com/ abbeysbooks

      Everywhere. I’m thinking of having that new video link on everything I say or post. What do you think. It isn’t going viral yet. It’s very damaging.

    • nena

      Posted both again on twitter

    • http://robinvandam1.tumblr.com/ Robin Van Dam

      I know you don’t know me and didn’t ask my opinion, but yours falls, somewhat, in line with mine. Would you read my posts and tell me what you think? I’d very much appreciate it.

    • nena

      yes

  • Dawn

    Liberty really likes attention for somebody who doesn’t like attention. I’ve been with jenni on this scandal since day one. I think Summit/Lionsgate is behind it. It just irks me how quiet all involved especially the twilight cast has been. I smell a gag order. It just seems like they can’t say anything. Maybe that’s why Rob and Kristen don’t look so good and haven’t said a word to their fans. Something like this they would somehow clear up. Maybe Summit/Lionsgate wanted them to fake a breakup and they would not go along with that and hurt their fans. So Summit went and did it for them complete with doctored photos and convient public apology that was completely unlike Kristen. Put gag orders on everyone except Liberty and Rupert who helped them with the photos for publicity. They’ll play Summits game. Rupert is in strong contention to direct The Hunger Games Mockingjay and how much you want to bet we see Liberty in some Lionsgates films in the future. Rob would suffer from this just as much as Kristen because he has to watch the woman he loves suffer through what kristen has endured. The best way to hurt somebody is to hurt the one they love. I have no doubt if this was what summit wants it to look like, somebody in the twilight cast would have said something by now and Rob and Kristen would have kept it out of the public eye to begin with. Most of the twilight cast is active on twitter and would have spoken up if they could for their fans. Jenni, I know you’re not a twilight fan but believe me when I say that cast is amazing to their fans and would not stay quiet about something like this unless they had no choice. It’s just been too quiet. I really do think Rob and Kristen have been fine the whole time and the reason they don’t look too well is because of what this scandal did to their fans. That might be why they gave the teen choice awards back to the audience. They new what was coming and felt guilty because they couldn’t stop it. Taylor didn’t give his award to the audience and looked a little confused as well. I think Summit/Lionsgate has Rob and Kristen by the balls right now. Am I right in feeling like everyone except Liberty have been way too quiet?? Jenni, any thoughts on what I said?